Author Topic: scam, cheat or what is this?! (Read 11782 times)

Jockey · « **Reply #25 on:** May 21, 2015, 07:38:11 PM »

Hi everybody.
I never wrote here before this, but this time i need to reply.
Everybody from us, also make a good, and bad deals.
Let see what i did from player to player.

1,- bad deal- Stig Fc

- he must be bad, after Peter bought LvL 64 Viola Mc from me, i did what i allways do after sell some player.
i wrote him, if he need more player i give him discount, he want-- than 1 give him discount.

2, Good deal - Anghel Mrc

What is the problem with his price?
800k for lvl 61 2 position player is not so much i was lucky to catch him.

3, good deal- Bakker Fc

He was a free agent, that why he cost 550k then i s sold him on ca:8 for 2,8m

4, hard train and played. Thonglao Mr

When i signed him, he was 4/8/2, nobody wanna sign him, then i sold around lvl 59 and la:8, now he is one of the best player on his team.

5 Bad deal- Osei Dc

i tried to train something new with him and failed, his lvl was low.

6, medium deal- georgel Mr/amr

i stay on my money.

But everybody now, around season 8 la: 7 players werent cheap like this.

Finally the first- Beckham

I must get this player cause i like ozzy osborne, and David Beckham, thats why i paid more.
But money is not interested for me, i spent more than 40m in this year (camp + transfers), and i can do it every year if i want so 1m is nothink.

Sry for my english.
Best regards J.R

Ruta · « **Reply #26 on:** May 21, 2015, 07:56:19 PM »

Quote from: Jockey on May 21, 2015, 07:38:11 PM

Hi everybody.
I never wrote here before this, but this time i need to reply.
Everybody from us, also make a good, and bad deals.
Let see what i did from player to player.

1,- bad deal- Stig Fc

- he must be bad, after Peter bought LvL 64 Viola Mc from me, i did what i allways do after sell some player.
i wrote him, if he need more player i give him discount, he want-- than 1 give him discount.

2, Good deal - Anghel Mrc

What is the problem with his price?
800k for lvl 61 2 position player is not so much i was lucky to catch him.

3, good deal- Bakker Fc

He was a free agent, that why he cost 550k then i s sold him on ca:8 for 2,8m

4, hard train and played. Thonglao Mr

When i signed him, he was 4/8/2, nobody wanna sign him, then i sold around lvl 59 and la:8, now he is one of the best player on his team.

5 Bad deal- Osei Dc

i tried to train something new with him and failed, his lvl was low.

6, medium deal- georgel Mr/amr

i stay on my money.

But everybody now, around season 8 la: 7 players werent cheap like this.

Finally the first- Beckham

I must get this player cause i like ozzy osborne, and David Beckham, thats why i paid more.
But money is not interested for me, i spent more than 40m in this year (camp + transfers), and i can do it every year if i want so 1m is nothink.

Sry for my english.
Best regards J.R

We discussed it and nothing special at prizes, BUT TELL US WHAT RELATIONSHIP DO YOU HAVE WITH ZSOKA???
As Top Level proved it is the problem!!!

Jockey · « **Reply #27 on:** May 21, 2015, 08:03:52 PM »

Oh i see...
There is no problem with me, there is a problem with Zsoka.
Nothink special with him, he is another manager, who sell his player allways expensive.
If i need a player i dont see who sold him and for how many, its no problem for me.
i bought some player from him, cause i like to pay more than make a bidwar in wages.
Thats all.

top level · « **Reply #28 on:** May 22, 2015, 08:11:16 AM »

Quote from: Jockey on May 21, 2015, 08:03:52 PM

Oh i see...
There is no problem with me, there is a problem with Zsoka.
Nothink special with him, he is another manager, who sell his player allways expensive.
If i need a player i dont see who sold him and for how many, its no problem for me.
i bought some player from him, cause i like to pay more than make a bidwar in wages.
Thats all.

yes, there is a problem with you!!! a big problem! you are helping him. well, i'm convinced you and zsoka are the same person, with 2 or more teams, but let's assume you're not, for the sake of this conversation.

your argument is void! it's bullshit! why zsoka's team is the only team that you bought 6 players from? why haven't you bought from other teams 6 players? or at least 4. zsoka is your favorite. why? there are plenty expensive players on the market, if you like paying more. do you think anyone believes that you like paying more? anyone likes to make a profit, but no! you like losing money, only to zsoka.

why haven't anyone bought 6 players from you? or any of us? i only have 2 teams that bought 2 players from me. not 3, not 4, 5 or 6 players! (one of those teams bought one player for 20k, and the other player 12k, so this doesn't even matter)

why did you pay more than it should, for players that you trained for a few seasons and made a loss (and i haven't added the wages you payed)? why do you keep buying from him, at high price?

this is called an ''action that benefits any other person expressly.''

you say 'nothing special with him'

then why did you loaned him your best player, in season 12? that season you have lost the title by 2 points. loaning your best FC to him, might as well be the single reason for losing that title.

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I must get this player cause i like ozzy osborne, and David Beckham, thats why i paid more.

this is exactly the kind of ridiculous arguments zsoka gives, when he advertises his players (that's another reason for me to believe you 2 are the same person): buy this player, because he's 196 cm tall! - in this game, the height or weight do not matter!
or: buy this player, because the adaptation rate is 20! who cares?! he is adapting only once and he is a youngster, he won't play in the first 11.

now you say you must buy that particular player because he has half someone's name, and the other half, someone else's name? if you like ozzy osbourne so much, why don't you even write his name correctly?! a fan would know his name. this is a silly argument that would probably work on teenagers, not on me. let's be serious!

marcellus · « **Reply #29 on:** May 22, 2015, 04:53:01 PM »

C'mon guys just fuck off and let Jockey alone.
He is one of the best guys in GKO Hungary, supporting a lot of teams.
Why bother if he sells-buys players more often from one team than from others.

I've been here for long and also came to my mind if there is something going on but he is such an influential player for the community that we would miss him a lot if he'd been gone!

So do not disturb Jockey with such conspiracy theories unless you have a proof for cheating!!

TheBestManager · « **Reply #30 on:** May 22, 2015, 05:31:59 PM »

It seems that scheme work! That should be 1 of those 7 managers paid $ for G

Check player Lubomir Bernard (7332432)

Sopelana · « **Reply #31 on:** May 22, 2015, 07:25:23 PM »

Quote from: TheBestManager on May 22, 2015, 05:31:59 PM

It seems that scheme work! That should be 1 of those 7 managers paid $ for G

Check player Lubomir Bernard (7332432)

He is less than LA7...

daniele2607 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 22, 2015, 07:25:55 PM »

Quote from: TheBestManager on May 22, 2015, 05:31:59 PM

It seems that scheme work! That should be 1 of those 7 managers paid $ for G

Check player Lubomir Bernard (7332432)

ALWAJS SEGNALATED..

mathieu29 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 23, 2015, 12:33:06 AM »

Sadly, this is not the only way to cheat in that game...

Take a look at that team : FC Latin Kings http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=306309

It has been created only a few months ago, but they have sold players for more than 7 millions G.
- Makar Fyodorov (22y, CA 5) : bought 60k, sold 420k
- Sanit Mhan (24y, CA 5) : bought 10k, sold 926k the next month
- Jordan Sawyer (player erased) : bought 15k, sold 982k within 2 months
- Manoel Machado (player erased) : bought 0.1k, sold 802k !!! (his value has been multiplied by 8020 !?!)
- Jacinto Paredes (21y, CA 4) : sold 655k
- Manuel Bolívar (player erased) : bought 128k, sold 1,8M
...and there are lots more transfers of the same kind.

The thing is, all the buying teams have differents IP's. It seems that some teams only exist to echange real money with in game money. I suppose that there is a rogue market where you can "buy" GKO money. And usually, it goes through the "exotic" teams. If you look at most of the championships of American Samoa, Aruba, Sudan or Sao Tome and Principe for exemple, you will find only one non-bot team. Just one. Of course, they win their championships+national cups every season, giving the team a huge amount of money without any effort. In fact, if you count them, there are about 45 countries with a unique non-bot.
Not all of them, but some of these teams are therefore used as "banks".

I don't want to be too pessimistic, but hundreds of people are cheating at GKO. It takes ages to have one of them banned. And usually, after a while, if they go Premium, you will see the team "unbanned" and ready to play again.
Unless a real admin comes back and do the neccessary things, I do not see this issue improve in the future.

Sopelana · « **Reply #34 on:** May 23, 2015, 01:00:25 AM »

I don't thik this case is a cheating case. In fact, I think he is just a noob in market.

top level · « **Reply #35 on:** May 23, 2015, 07:30:42 AM »

Quote from: marcellus on May 22, 2015, 04:53:01 PM

C'mon guys just fuck off and let Jockey alone.
He is one of the best guys in GKO Hungary, supporting a lot of teams.
Why bother if he sells-buys players more often from one team than from others.

I've been here for long and also came to my mind if there is something going on but he is such an influential player for the community that we would miss him a lot if he'd been gone!

So do not disturb Jockey with such conspiracy theories unless you have a proof for cheating!!

that's a stupid reason for leaving him alone! just because he's charismatic, it's ok to cheat? yes, zsoka may seem charismatic also. and very convincing. but that doesn't make it ok to cheat.

i have just exposed proof of cheating.

ip's are irrelevant, because, from what i've been told, the are apps that will make it possible for someone to display many different ip's

mathieu29 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 23, 2015, 08:12:59 AM »

Quote from: Sopelana on May 23, 2015, 01:00:25 AM

I don't thik this case is a cheating case. In fact, I think he is just a noob in market.

Are you kidding ? This guy is buying useless players for next to nothing and sells them for a lot of money. He is everything but a noob.
When he buys Machado for 100G and sells him for 802,000G, I wouldn't say he is a noob...

Is he a friends of yours ?
$:-\$

Sopelana · « **Reply #37 on:** May 23, 2015, 10:48:29 AM »

Quote from: mathieu29 on May 23, 2015, 08:12:59 AM

Quote from: Sopelana on May 23, 2015, 01:00:25 AM
I don't thik this case is a cheating case. In fact, I think he is just a noob in market.

Are you kidding ? This guy is buying useless players for next to nothing and sells them for a lot of money. He is everything but a noob.
When he buys Machado for 100G and sells him for 802,000G, I wouldn't say he is a noob...

Is he a friends of yours ?
$:-\$

No, I'm not kiding, and he is not my friend. Imagine that the seller was noob, and he put the player for 100 G, thinking that the market will put him on his level of money. And for that this manager get punishment. Do you think this is justice?. I was punished with 10M for a thing I didn't, the only thing I say, is we must have the 100% of guarantie of cheat to ask for a punishment, so, in this case, IMHO, we can't know. I 'm not saying he is not cheating, and I don't say he is cheating, just we can't punish all suspicious tranfers.

I would show you 1 transfer:

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6730874

The seller was ungry with the game, and he sold the player under his market price. Did the buyer cheated, NO. But he took an extra money and the admin. didn't quit him nothing. Should he be punish? NO, maybe quit the extra money he won, but NO more. As you can see if you look more transfer many user took his players under the market price, because he sold on ridiculus prices for the levels of his players.

In the case we were speaking maybe it could happen like this case. SO, my conclusion is we CAN'T know about them.

Kr10s · « **Reply #38 on:** May 23, 2015, 01:54:40 PM »

Guys, i think we need to calm down a little bit.

@top level, i know that GKO isn't fair, not even close, and many of us knows that Zsoka is one of the dirtiest mangers in the game, but i am afriad that we have no choice but to live with it
The fact that none of us spoke here when Zsoka sold a player to a french team at overpriced value (Olympique Lion, as far as i remember) only proved there are different punishments for different situations, Lyon were punished, Zsoka received a ridiculous punishment and Olympique Lyon's real owner (romanian IP, owns another team there) remained untouched, so....

Mathieu didn't say something so ridicuolus, OF COURSE THERE IS A BLACK MARKET IN TYE GAME, but it happens because there is no control at all! People can have 2, 3 or 50 accounts and NOBODY controls them, money moves in many directions and real punishments doesn't happen, even if the evidences would be clear!
Is that colombian manager a cheater? I don't know, i didn't even tracked his IP to see if he actually is a colombian newbie, so i can't say an opinion about it. But i can be absolutely sure is that many of these suspicious transfers wouldn't happen if we would have a simple tool to compare a player listed with similar players previously sold, but i am asking a new tool, and that is TOO MUCH asking for GKO money milkers, so we have no choice but to live with it, or leave the game, or start cheating akd wait that nobody would noticed, i picked the first option, but that doesn't mean that it might be the best choice... When improving academy was a really great investment, wasn't worth to cheat? Many users received 1M or 2M fine, but they pulled 7 quality youth inmediately, and that happened when there was "some" cheating control, why would things change now? The situation sucks, but i don't see a real solution with current owners in charge, so, pick now: live with it, waste your time complaining or start cheating too, developers already proved us what is the easiest route: " invest money and cheat".

And finally, Txusi, Mathew's transfers are an old story, when they happened, many of us told you you should contact GM to explain because your player were overpaid, if you would have explained the situation, you would probavly have received the money you asked initially, but you picked to get all the money amd see what happens, it weren't good, too bad, but you played russiand roulette and you lost, deal with it my friend.....

Fradel Rovajar · « **Reply #39 on:** May 23, 2015, 02:49:39 PM »

It is true what Carlos said. We have no choice and have to live in it, the situation is similar with world of education today. Many students who got good grades because of cheating and make the honest students jealous or upset. They may be report it to their teacher and then the punishment given by the teacher to the cheater, but does it make the cheater deterrent? Generally not so finally the honest students have to accept the situation and live in it? it is same with this game isn't it?
I'm not pessimistic but really that's all beyond our control.
we can continue to regularly report any fraudulence to the GM and wait the response. No response? please be calm and patient because we still love this game isn't it?