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Title: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: top level on May 20, 2015, 09:00:53 AM
muskali : Do you want more G ? Never was so simple .Find out how for only 15 $ you can get 5.000.000 G . If you are interesting , write to me on [email protected]. Payments are accepted only through Bitcoin or Paypal.Thank you !
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: daniele2607 on May 20, 2015, 09:09:24 AM
this is a fraudolent action to "fuck" money at people...signed as cheaters ??? ???
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Kaiserz357 on May 20, 2015, 01:17:56 PM
there are 2 cases
1. you pay money - you got 5M g -  then you have  been ban ::)
2. you pay money - not thing receive  :'(

please choose  :P
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Sopelana on May 20, 2015, 05:47:07 PM
there are 2 cases
1. you pay money - you got 5M g -  then you have  been ban ::)
2. you pay money - not thing receive  :'(

please choose  :P

I prefer option 3:

I Don't pay nothing and finally that guy go out of the game himself.

:)

Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: TheBestManager on May 20, 2015, 09:35:50 PM
Hello guys. I just was curious what is the offer and wrote to this guy. And here is his answers:
''easy. selling players when you want , with the price you want , anytime you want .you can pay from 3$ to 27 $. for each 1.000.000 G you want must pay 3 $ through paypal or bitcoin''.
I wondered how he can satisfied everyone if many managers want to use this cheat and he told me:
''there are more teams with money , not just one. don't sell crappy players , sell only good players , for a little bit more money , and more often''
When I told him his offer is stupid and nobody will pay him, he said:
''7 of them already paid''.....
 >:(
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: daniele2607 on May 20, 2015, 09:43:59 PM
''7 of them already paid''.....

..thats 7 people are the damage of this game!.. :-[
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Kr10s on May 20, 2015, 09:58:11 PM
..thats 7 people are the damage of this game!.. :-[

That's exactly what i tought....

.... if those users are eventually caught, the game will be a bit better for all.
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: top level on May 20, 2015, 10:02:28 PM
just like this transfer:
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=8127446 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=8127446)
this is a transfer between 2 teams of the same person and that player is a 17 y.o. 3/9/3 that is worth, probably, around 1 mil less that the selling value.

Set Pieces 8
Crossing 7
Dribbling 9
Finishing 7
Heading 6
Long shots 9
Marking 7
Passing 12
Tackling 10
Technique 7

Mental
Aggression 3
Creativity 9
Decisions 11
Determination 5
Influence 1
Positioning 9
Off the ball 7
Teamwork 5



Physical
Acceleration 5
Agility 8
Balance 10
Jumping 7
Pace 7
Stamina 7
Strength 11

the skills are real, copied when the player was on transfer market, not estimated by a scout.

those 2 teams have made more such transfers in the past. this is how cheaters make money in this game, because admin no longer punishes cheaters...
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Sopelana on May 20, 2015, 11:28:49 PM
Maybe I'm an idealist, but there is another option: he is lying.

He just said the lie trying someone give him real money.
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Ruta on May 21, 2015, 08:14:08 AM
just like this transfer:
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=8127446 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=8127446)
this is a transfer between 2 teams of the same person and that player is a 17 y.o. 3/9/3 that is worth, probably, around 1 mil less that the selling value.

the skills are real, copied when the player was on transfer market, not estimated by a scout.

those 2 teams have made more such transfers in the past. this is how cheaters make money in this game, because admin no longer punishes cheaters...
you are too suspicious.  I know Jockey from Southfork. He is briliant  at developing youth with low PR. And this is mc , future U21 player so prize is high but I can't say it is unreasonable. Sometimes user is out when auction ends so give more to be sure he gets player. When I buy  players I prefer t o pay even some miliona more to avoiod wage war.
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: xerexy on May 21, 2015, 08:30:46 AM
I believe you guys are starting too lose your point as some managers are doing terrible job on transfer market overrating or underrating players so it is very hard to prove 1 million difference on transfers over 3+million, I saw that practically same players (age, PR, position etc etc ) goes for different value of money, sometimes difference is will he be national player, and what period of season is in that moment, based on those two things price can be up to 50% higher/lower. So this guy is smart, but just for posting that deal on national chat he should be beaned knowing our admin he will do good job and without any consequences.
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Sopelana on May 21, 2015, 09:41:31 AM
There are many factor to value the player, as:

- Age
- Abilities (how is he skilled)
- Member of NT
- PR
- CA
- LA
- Time of the season
- Market (sometimes market is stoped and sometimes there are not enough players...)
- Experience
- Wage of the player
- How much you need that position (you will be willing to pay more than his price) and how much players like that there are in market (when there was low LA9 in market they were expensive, but now there are a lot, so their price decreased. Now it could happen, and in fact is happening, with LA11-12).


Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: top level on May 21, 2015, 09:51:15 AM

 you are too suspicious.  I know Jockey from Southfork. He is briliant  at developing youth with low PR. And this is mc , future U21 player so prize is high but I can't say it is unreasonable. Sometimes user is out when auction ends so give more to be sure he gets player. When I buy  players I prefer t o pay even some miliona more to avoiod wage war.

how about the other 5 transfers between the same 2 teams? how come i don't have 6 expensive transfers to the same team? do you?
and for a very low CA3, the price is too high. it's like a player from the first round of youth camps, only with PR3, instead of 4. i barely managed to sell developed players of CA7 a little more expensive than this player and he sells a 200k value player for almost the same price, to the same team that bought him many other players?!

in this game, cheating is king. also, buying admin's forgiveness for cheating, with real money, is king... i really wish someone would buy the game and ban all cheaters, without giving them premium and tokens back! we need real game masters!
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: top level on May 21, 2015, 10:28:57 AM
if jockey is so brilliant, explain these:

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=5753093 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=5753093) - bought for 1.1 mil, trained for 7-8 months, sold for 0.9 mil (minus taxes, it should go to 0.72 mil) ~0.4 mil loss, after so much training!

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6193628 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6193628) - bought for 1.25 mil, trained for 8 months, sold for 0.781 mil (minus taxes, it should go to 0.62) ~0.63 mil loss, after 2 seasons of training!

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6750882 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6750882) - bought for 0.6 mil, trained 1 year, sold for 0.995 mil (minus taxes, ~0.8 mil) only 200k profit, after 3 seasons of training!
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: daniele2607 on May 21, 2015, 10:57:47 AM
if jockey is so brilliant, explain these:

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=5753093 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=5753093) - bought for 1.1 mil, trained for 7-8 months, sold for 0.9 mil (minus taxes, it should go to 0.72 mil) ~0.4 mil loss, after so much training!

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6193628 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6193628) - bought for 1.25 mil, trained for 8 months, sold for 0.781 mil (minus taxes, it should go to 0.62) ~0.63 mil loss, after 2 seasons of training!


the last two seasons ( 12-13 .. ) prices la7 and also youth la8 plummeted and many who before were sold over one million hours do not work either for the price of the card ... This is a determining factor in the trades in question ( taken in season 9 ) ... what is certain is that there were good business , whatever the id in question between the two players is always different , not accuse before having tests heavier ...

Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: daniele2607 on May 21, 2015, 10:59:44 AM
wrong layout .. sorry .:))
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Ruta on May 21, 2015, 11:04:21 AM
if jockey is so brilliant, explain these:

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=5753093 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=5753093) - bought for 1.1 mil, trained for 7-8 months, sold for 0.9 mil (minus taxes, it should go to 0.72 mil) ~0.4 mil loss, after so much training!

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6193628 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6193628) - bought for 1.25 mil, trained for 8 months, sold for 0.781 mil (minus taxes, it should go to 0.62) ~0.63 mil loss, after 2 seasons of training!

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6750882 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6750882) - bought for 0.6 mil, trained 1 year, sold for 0.995 mil (minus taxes, ~0.8 mil) only 200k profit, after 3 seasons of training!
Daniele already explained why is so hard to make cash on la 7-8. More I said about training, you about making money. It different  stories. Look at mine Almeida pr3. When Jockey bought him no one want Almeida at this prize. Few seasons later I paid  a huge more. And I never ever regret  this.

I know why you focus on this case but all is about seller reputation not buyer.
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Sopelana on May 21, 2015, 11:23:28 AM

 you are too suspicious.  I know Jockey from Southfork. He is briliant  at developing youth with low PR. And this is mc , future U21 player so prize is high but I can't say it is unreasonable. Sometimes user is out when auction ends so give more to be sure he gets player. When I buy  players I prefer t o pay even some miliona more to avoiod wage war.

how about the other 5 transfers between the same 2 teams? how come i don't have 6 expensive transfers to the same team? do you?
and for a very low CA3, the price is too high. it's like a player from the first round of youth camps, only with PR3, instead of 4. i barely managed to sell developed players of CA7 a little more expensive than this player and he sells a 200k value player for almost the same price, to the same team that bought him many other players?!

in this game, cheating is king. also, buying admin's forgiveness for cheating, with real money, is king... i really wish someone would buy the game and ban all cheaters, without giving them premium and tokens back! we need real game masters!

If I were you, I don't ask so fast for justice in this game. I think nobody like me know what is a punishment for something I didn't. EVEN, in this game there are a lot of suspicious transfers (and cheaters), you should have the totally knowledge about what are you asking for a punish. Is better let free 1.000 cheaters than punish ONE inocent.

Think that the inocent can be you next time, only because of the fact someone thinks you are a cheater, and you have a suspicious tranfer.

Cheers!!.
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: xerexy on May 21, 2015, 11:26:51 AM
There are many factor to value the player, as:

- Age
- Abilities (how is he skilled)
- Member of NT
- PR
- CA
- LA
- Time of the season
- Market (sometimes market is stoped and sometimes there are not enough players...)
- Experience
- Wage of the player
- How much you need that position (you will be willing to pay more than his price) and how much players like that there are in market (when there was low LA9 in market they were expensive, but now there are a lot, so their price decreased. Now it could happen, and in fact is happening, with LA11-12).

I agree with all above 100%

And for rest everyone from time to time buys a player that is mistake wrong evaluation and then if you want to get rid of him you need to take a lose of money as normal if you buy 20 players at least 5 of them is going to be bad decisions and you must accept minus in that trade, this game is not simple as it seems it is specially because admin do not interfere with anything in this case of free trade it is even positive!
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Ruta on May 21, 2015, 11:53:25 AM
There are many factor to value the player, as:

- Age
- Abilities (how is he skilled)
- Member of NT
- PR
- CA
- LA
- Time of the season
- Market (sometimes market is stoped and sometimes there are not enough players...)
- Experience
- Wage of the player
- How much you need that position (you will be willing to pay more than his price) and how much players like that there are in market (when there was low LA9 in market they were expensive, but now there are a lot, so their price decreased. Now it could happen, and in fact is happening, with LA11-12).

I agree with all above 100%

And for rest everyone from time to time buys a player that is mistake wrong evaluation and then if you want to get rid of him you need to take a lose of money as normal if you buy 20 players at least 5 of them is going to be bad decisions and you must accept minus in that trade, this game is not simple as it seems it is specially because admin do not interfere with anything in this case of free trade it is even positive!
there are some transfers around 18 mln for la 11-13  and I expected that 20 mln someone will pay soon cause there are tam with this cash but no descent players available.  So I think NT player like 7/12_13/3-4 on good position ( mc, fc) can brake a limits :p
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: daniele2607 on May 21, 2015, 12:11:45 PM
 ;D we arrived at a key moment of the development of the game , where more than 500 clubs have academies best 1100 very good ... there are hundreds of la8 baked every season dozens of LA9 and many la10 ... and many clubs have already teams whole of la9-10 developed ... the boxes rick for these reasons now growing by the day and more and more managers have opportunity to spend large numbers to the few good players who sell themselves since most are held the best for their team ... an error of developers according m� is the market , in a thought too bizarre to try to encourage even the small team ( with salaries .. ) but that is harmful in the long run ... the rod upward to free I think it would be a simple solution , and far better .. 8)
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: daniele2607 on May 21, 2015, 12:15:52 PM
an auction would free Surely Reduced Very All controversies and suspicions .. :D
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: top level on May 21, 2015, 12:49:26 PM
if jockey is so brilliant, explain these:

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=5753093 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=5753093) - bought for 1.1 mil, trained for 7-8 months, sold for 0.9 mil (minus taxes, it should go to 0.72 mil) ~0.4 mil loss, after so much training!

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6193628 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6193628) - bought for 1.25 mil, trained for 8 months, sold for 0.781 mil (minus taxes, it should go to 0.62) ~0.63 mil loss, after 2 seasons of training!


the last two seasons ( 12-13 .. ) prices la7 and also youth la8 plummeted and many who before were sold over one million hours do not work either for the price of the card ... This is a determining factor in the trades in question ( taken in season 9 ) ... what is certain is that there were good business , whatever the id in question between the two players is always different , not accuse before having tests heavier ...


bullshit!
let's look at other transfers, in the same time frame, other than the transfers of his academy players, that were not bought:

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6649485 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6649485) from 150k to 900k

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=5890948 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=5890948) from 558k to 2.270 mil

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6643832 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6643832) from 150k to 800k (but nanking leverkusen is another story, it belongs to zsoka, too)

and here's another transfer to nanking leverkusen: http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=4025032 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=4025032) . on profit, of course... and there is one more, shown above.

how come all the transfers in this time frame were on profit, except the players that came from zsoka?! coincidence? don't think so. those players were bought at an overpriced value. on purpose!

AGAIN: why don't we all have 6 expensive transfers, to the same team? or, how come we don't buy 6 expensive players from the same team?
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Ruta on May 21, 2015, 01:13:17 PM
Oh. Now you have more news. And I have to agree with you. It looks like chain selling :(
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: daniele2607 on May 21, 2015, 04:29:35 PM
 :-\surely there is a strange relationship of sale between the two clubs , this is undeniable ; personally I know Szoka  and I know that his players are often expensive (sometimes over their possible development ) but the fact remains that they are both premium and id are different so I suspect it but certainties zero
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Jockey on May 21, 2015, 07:38:11 PM
Hi everybody.
I never wrote here before this, but this time i need to reply.
Everybody from us, also  make a good, and bad deals.
Let see what i did from player to player.

1,- bad deal- Stig Fc

- he must be bad, after Peter bought LvL 64 Viola Mc from me, i did what i allways do after sell some player.
i wrote him, if he need more player i give him discount, he want-- than 1 give him discount.

2, Good deal - Anghel Mrc

What is the problem with his price?
800k for lvl 61 2 position player is not so much i was lucky to catch him.

3, good deal- Bakker Fc

He was a free agent, that why he cost 550k then i s sold him on ca:8 for 2,8m

4, hard train and played. Thonglao Mr


When i signed him, he was 4/8/2, nobody wanna sign him, then i sold around lvl 59 and la:8, now he is one of the best player on his team.

5 Bad deal- Osei Dc


i tried to train something new with him and failed, his lvl was low.

6,  medium deal- georgel Mr/amr


i stay on my money.

But everybody now, around season 8 la: 7 players werent cheap like this.

Finally the first- Beckham


I must get this player cause i like ozzy osborne, and David  Beckham, thats why i paid more.
But money is not interested for me, i spent more than 40m in this year (camp + transfers), and i can do it every year if i want so 1m is nothink.

Sry for my english.
Best regards J.R


 
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Ruta on May 21, 2015, 07:56:19 PM
Hi everybody.
I never wrote here before this, but this time i need to reply.
Everybody from us, also  make a good, and bad deals.
Let see what i did from player to player.

1,- bad deal- Stig Fc

- he must be bad, after Peter bought LvL 64 Viola Mc from me, i did what i allways do after sell some player.
i wrote him, if he need more player i give him discount, he want-- than 1 give him discount.

2, Good deal - Anghel Mrc

What is the problem with his price?
800k for lvl 61 2 position player is not so much i was lucky to catch him.

3, good deal- Bakker Fc

He was a free agent, that why he cost 550k then i s sold him on ca:8 for 2,8m

4, hard train and played. Thonglao Mr


When i signed him, he was 4/8/2, nobody wanna sign him, then i sold around lvl 59 and la:8, now he is one of the best player on his team.

5 Bad deal- Osei Dc


i tried to train something new with him and failed, his lvl was low.

6,  medium deal- georgel Mr/amr


i stay on my money.

But everybody now, around season 8 la: 7 players werent cheap like this.

Finally the first- Beckham


I must get this player cause i like ozzy osborne, and David  Beckham, thats why i paid more.
But money is not interested for me, i spent more than 40m in this year (camp + transfers), and i can do it every year if i want so 1m is nothink.

Sry for my english.
Best regards J.R
We discussed it and nothing special at prizes, BUT TELL US WHAT RELATIONSHIP DO YOU HAVE WITH ZSOKA???
As Top Level proved it is the problem!!!
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Jockey on May 21, 2015, 08:03:52 PM
Oh i see...
There is no problem with me, there is a problem with Zsoka.
Nothink special with him, he is another manager, who sell his player allways expensive.
If i need a player i dont see who sold him and for how many, its no problem for me.
i bought some player from him, cause i like to pay more than make a bidwar in wages.
Thats all.

Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: top level on May 22, 2015, 08:11:16 AM
Oh i see...
There is no problem with me, there is a problem with Zsoka.
Nothink special with him, he is another manager, who sell his player allways expensive.
If i need a player i dont see who sold him and for how many, its no problem for me.
i bought some player from him, cause i like to pay more than make a bidwar in wages.
Thats all.

yes, there is a problem with you!!! a big problem! you are helping him. well, i'm convinced you and zsoka are the same person, with 2 or more teams, but let's assume you're not, for the sake of this conversation.

your argument is void! it's bullshit! why zsoka's team is the only team that you bought 6 players from? why haven't you bought from other teams 6 players? or at least 4. zsoka is your favorite. why? there are plenty expensive players on the market, if you like paying more. do you think anyone believes that you like paying more? anyone likes to make a profit, but no! you like losing money, only to zsoka.

why haven't anyone bought 6 players from you? or any of us? i only have 2 teams that bought 2 players from me. not 3, not 4, 5 or 6 players! (one of those teams bought one player for 20k, and the other player 12k, so this doesn't even matter)

why did you pay more than it should, for players that you trained for a few seasons and made a loss (and i haven't added the wages you payed)? why do you keep buying from him, at high price?

this is called an ''action that benefits any other person expressly.''

you say 'nothing special with him'???
then why did you loaned him your best player, in season 12? that season you have lost the title by 2 points. loaning your best FC to him, might as well be the single reason for losing that title.

Quote
I must get this player cause i like ozzy osborne, and David  Beckham, thats why i paid more.

this is exactly the kind of ridiculous arguments zsoka gives, when he advertises his players (that's another reason for me to believe you 2 are the same person): buy this player, because he's 196 cm tall! - in this game, the height or weight do not matter!
or: buy this player, because the adaptation rate is 20! who cares?! he is adapting only once and he is a youngster, he won't play in the first 11.

now you say you must buy that particular player because he has half someone's name, and the other half, someone else's name? if you like ozzy osbourne so much, why don't you even write his name correctly?! a fan would know his name. this is a silly argument that would probably work on teenagers, not on me. let's be serious!
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: marcellus on May 22, 2015, 04:53:01 PM
C'mon guys just fuck off and let Jockey alone.
He is one of the best guys in GKO Hungary, supporting a lot of teams.
Why bother if he sells-buys players more often from one team than from others.

I've been here for long and also came to my mind if there is something going on but he is such an influential player for the community that we would miss him a lot if he'd been gone!

So do not disturb Jockey with such conspiracy theories unless you have a proof for cheating!!
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: TheBestManager on May 22, 2015, 05:31:59 PM
It seems that scheme work! That should be 1 of those 7 managers paid $ for G ???

Check player Lubomir Bernard (7332432)
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Sopelana on May 22, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
It seems that scheme work! That should be 1 of those 7 managers paid $ for G ???

Check player Lubomir Bernard (7332432)

He is less than LA7...
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: daniele2607 on May 22, 2015, 07:25:55 PM
It seems that scheme work! That should be 1 of those 7 managers paid $ for G ???

Check player Lubomir Bernard (7332432)

ALWAJS SEGNALATED..:))
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: mathieu29 on May 23, 2015, 12:33:06 AM
Sadly, this is not the only way to cheat in that game...

Take a look at that team : FC Latin Kings http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=306309 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=306309)

It has been created only a few months ago, but they have sold players for more than 7 millions G.
- Makar  Fyodorov  (22y, CA 5) : bought 60k, sold 420k
- Sanit Mhan (24y, CA 5) : bought 10k, sold 926k the next month
- Jordan Sawyer (player erased) : bought 15k, sold 982k within 2 months
- Manoel Machado (player erased) : bought 0.1k, sold 802k !!! (his value has been multiplied by 8020 !?!)
- Jacinto Paredes (21y, CA 4) : sold 655k
- Manuel Bol�var (player erased) : bought 128k, sold 1,8M
...and there are lots more transfers of the same kind.

The thing is, all the buying teams have differents IP's. It seems that some teams only exist to echange real money with in game money. I suppose that there is a rogue market where you can "buy" GKO money. And usually, it goes through the "exotic" teams. If you look at most of the championships of American Samoa, Aruba, Sudan or Sao Tome and Principe for exemple, you will find only one non-bot team. Just one. Of course, they win their championships+national cups every season, giving the team a huge amount of money without any effort. In fact, if you count them, there are about 45 countries with a unique non-bot.
Not all of them, but some of these teams are therefore used as "banks".

I don't want to be too pessimistic, but hundreds of people are cheating at GKO. It takes ages to have one of them banned. And usually, after a while, if they go Premium, you will see the team "unbanned" and ready to play again.
Unless a real admin comes back and do the neccessary things, I do not see this issue improve in the future.
 :'(
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Sopelana on May 23, 2015, 01:00:25 AM
I don't thik this case is a cheating case. In fact, I think he is just a noob in market.
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: top level on May 23, 2015, 07:30:42 AM
C'mon guys just fuck off and let Jockey alone.
He is one of the best guys in GKO Hungary, supporting a lot of teams.
Why bother if he sells-buys players more often from one team than from others.

I've been here for long and also came to my mind if there is something going on but he is such an influential player for the community that we would miss him a lot if he'd been gone!

So do not disturb Jockey with such conspiracy theories unless you have a proof for cheating!!

that's a stupid reason for leaving him alone! just because he's charismatic, it's ok to cheat? yes, zsoka may seem charismatic also. and very convincing. but that doesn't make it ok to cheat.

i have just exposed proof of cheating.

ip's are irrelevant, because, from what i've been told, the are apps that will make it possible for someone to display many different ip's
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: mathieu29 on May 23, 2015, 08:12:59 AM
I don't thik this case is a cheating case. In fact, I think he is just a noob in market.

Are you kidding ? This guy is buying useless players for next to nothing and sells them for a lot of money. He is everything but a noob.
When he buys Machado for 100G and sells him for 802,000G, I wouldn't say he is a noob...

Is he a friends of yours ?
 :-\
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Sopelana on May 23, 2015, 10:48:29 AM
I don't thik this case is a cheating case. In fact, I think he is just a noob in market.

Are you kidding ? This guy is buying useless players for next to nothing and sells them for a lot of money. He is everything but a noob.
When he buys Machado for 100G and sells him for 802,000G, I wouldn't say he is a noob...

Is he a friends of yours ?
 :-\

No, I'm not kiding, and he is not my friend. Imagine that the seller was noob, and he put the player for 100 G, thinking that the market will put him on his level of money. And for that this manager get punishment. Do you think this is justice?. I was punished with 10M for a thing I didn't, the only thing I say, is we must have the 100% of guarantie of cheat to ask for a punishment, so, in this case, IMHO, we can't know. I 'm not saying he is not cheating, and I don't say he is cheating, just we can't punish all suspicious tranfers.

I would show you 1 transfer:

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6730874 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6730874)

The seller was ungry with the game, and he sold the player under his market price. Did the buyer cheated, NO. But he took an extra money and the admin. didn't quit him nothing. Should he be punish? NO, maybe quit the extra money he won, but NO more. As you can see if you look more transfer many user took his players under the market price, because he sold on ridiculus prices for the levels of his players.

In the case we were speaking maybe it could happen like this case. SO, my conclusion is we CAN'T know about them.


Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Kr10s on May 23, 2015, 01:54:40 PM
Guys, i think we need to calm down a little bit.

@top level, i know that GKO isn't fair, not even close, and many of us knows that Zsoka is one of the dirtiest mangers in the game, but i am afriad that we have no choice but to live with it
The fact that none of us spoke here when Zsoka sold a player to a french team at overpriced value (Olympique Lion, as far as i remember) only proved there are different punishments for different situations, Lyon were punished, Zsoka received a ridiculous punishment and Olympique Lyon's real owner (romanian IP, owns another team there) remained untouched, so....

Mathieu didn't say something so  ridicuolus, OF COURSE THERE IS A BLACK MARKET IN TYE GAME, but it happens because there is no control at all! People can have 2, 3 or 50 accounts and NOBODY controls them, money moves in many directions and real punishments doesn't happen, even if the evidences would be clear!
Is that colombian manager a cheater? I don't know, i didn't even tracked his IP to see if he actually is a colombian newbie, so i can't say an opinion about it. But i can be absolutely sure is that many of these suspicious transfers wouldn't happen if we would have a simple tool to compare a player listed with similar players previously sold, but i am asking a new tool, and that is TOO MUCH asking for GKO money milkers, so we have no choice but to live with it, or leave the game, or start cheating akd wait that nobody would noticed, i picked the first option, but that doesn't mean that it might be the best choice... When improving academy was a really great investment, wasn't worth to cheat? Many users received 1M or 2M fine, but they pulled 7 quality youth inmediately, and that happened when there was "some" cheating control, why would things change now? The situation sucks, but i don't see a real solution with current owners in charge, so, pick now: live with it, waste your time complaining or start cheating too, developers already proved us what is the easiest route: " invest money and cheat".

And finally, Txusi, Mathew's transfers are an old story, when they happened, many of us told you you should contact GM to explain because your player were overpaid, if you would have explained the situation, you would probavly have received the money you asked initially, but you picked to get all the money amd see what happens, it weren't good, too bad, but you played russiand roulette and you lost, deal with it my friend.....
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: Fradel Rovajar on May 23, 2015, 02:49:39 PM
It is true what Carlos said. We have no choice and have to live in it, the situation is similar with world of education today. Many students who got good grades because of cheating and make the  honest students jealous or upset. They may be report it to their teacher and then  the punishment given by the teacher to the cheater, but does it make the cheater deterrent? Generally not so finally the honest students  have to accept the situation and live in it? it is same with this game isn't it?
I'm not pessimistic but really that's all beyond our control.
we can continue to regularly report any fraudulence to the GM and wait the response. No response? please be calm and patient because we still love this game isn't it?
Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
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Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
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Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: GregoryUnubs on September 12, 2023, 06:01:31 AM
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Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: GregoryUnubs on October 04, 2023, 07:09:14 AM
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Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: GregoryUnubs on December 04, 2023, 05:47:36 AM
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Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: GregoryUnubs on January 04, 2024, 03:16:04 AM
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Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: GregoryUnubs on March 03, 2024, 04:25:49 AM
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Title: Re: scam, cheat or what is this?!
Post by: GregoryUnubs on April 02, 2024, 07:07:01 PM
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