Author Topic: lets start with the youths we have obtained :P (Read 14676 times)

rahmawan · « **Reply #25 on:** December 22, 2013, 11:42:27 PM »

1/7/2 from Academy BAD

Brian Clough · « **Reply #26 on:** December 23, 2013, 12:04:45 AM »

Quote from: totasef on December 22, 2013, 11:18:05 PM

Quote from: MathewsPateras on December 22, 2013, 07:50:24 PM
the best

3/5/3 3/7/3, 3/7/3, 3/7/4, 3/7/4, 3/7/5, 6/7/3. every season same.

Maybe you didnt get LA8+ but I ll rather have LA7 PR 3 then LA8-9 PR 2

If you have patience to train those LA7 , you re looking at some nice players and nice cash...

I would be satisfied with those pulls, considering the standards. Look around and you ll see people getting much worse players with Best and VG academy, and probability difference of getting TOP talent between VG and Best is not that high really, no matter the costs for building Best academy.

Thats why I stick with VG although I did have money to build the Best one...

Game simply forces you to buy tokens and you cant expect Top talents from Best Academy without tokens.

I dont want to pay

While it is true that the probability of getting LA8+ players is fairly similar between VG and TB academies (based on some old data admin gave us), I think the probability of getting youths with LA10+ and PR5+ is much higher with TB academy. You can get some excellent players from VG academy, but I wouldn't [EDIT] generally [EDIT] call them "TOP talent" (globally) thought they may be top talents for your nation.

You can get top talents without tokens. It just takes some patience. This season I won't be promoting players from my academy until their reports arrive.

Having said that, there is one thing that should change IMHO:

1) the time for player reports should be based on scout analysis skill level. Level 5 should take 1-2 weeks at most
2) the accuracy of player reports should be based on scout judge player skill level. Level 5 should produce reports that are almost perfectly accurate.

Kr10s · « **Reply #27 on:** December 23, 2013, 12:10:56 AM »

Quote from: Brian Clough on December 23, 2013, 12:04:45 AM

While it is true that the probability of getting LA8+ players is fairly similar between VG and TB academies (based on some old data admin gave us), I think the probability of getting youths with LA10+ and PR5+ is much higher with TB academy.

I haven't seen PR2 players pulled from TB academy, coincidence? In high LA players, a PR2 player is a waste, a PR3 is a tough project but it has far more future IMO.

Quote from: Brian Clough on December 23, 2013, 12:04:45 AM

You can get some excellent players from VG academy, but I wouldn't call them "TOP talent" (globally) thought they may be top talents for your nation.

It's all about probabilities, the best argentinian pulled this season is a 2/12/4 player pulled from very good academy.

BuddAbass · « **Reply #28 on:** December 23, 2013, 12:35:25 AM »

very good academy:

GK 3/5/2
GK 2/7/2
FC 2/6/3
MR 2/5/4
DC 2/8/3
DMRL 2/9/2
DC ?

shomyguca · « **Reply #29 on:** December 23, 2013, 06:21:50 AM »

Quote from: Brian Clough on December 23, 2013, 12:04:45 AM

You can get top talents without tokens. It just takes some patience. This season I won't be promoting players from my academy until their reports arrive.

I agree! That's what I intend to do, too!

Quote from: Brian Clough on December 23, 2013, 12:04:45 AM

[Having said that, there is one thing that should change IMHO:
1) the time for player reports should be based on scout analysis skill level. Level 5 should take 1-2 weeks at most
2) the accuracy of player reports should be based on scout judge player skill level. Level 5 should produce reports that are almost perfectly accurate.

Yes, shortening the report time would be an excellent idea!

totasef · « **Reply #30 on:** December 23, 2013, 12:07:57 PM »

You can wait for 2 months but if you dont get good players you ll have to pay for another ones and wait again for 2 months.. Thats 4 months or bacically a season. You are missing one entire season of training and if he was younger then 18 you missed a nice training bonus

Say that you get 19y 3 / 10 /3 player, that will be at the season end so you can already make it a 20y old.

He ll never reach that LA10

And you re an idiot Mathews. This is a forum, everyone is entitled to say their opinion. Deal with it.

Kr10s · « **Reply #31 on:** December 23, 2013, 12:20:13 PM »

Quote from: totasef on December 23, 2013, 12:07:57 PM

You can wait for 2 months but if you dont get good players you ll have to pay for another ones and wait again for 2 months.. Thats 4 months or bacically a season. You are missing one entire season of training and if he was younger then 18 you missed a nice training bonus

Say that you get 19y 3 / 10 /3 player, that will be at the season end so you can already make it a 20y old.

Well, it might be a waste of time, but i think it's a lot better than pulling a 3/6/4 player blindly..... That player won't reach CA10 either.

I can't train more players, so i decided to pull the remaining 3:

GK 2/7/4
DL 3/6/4
FC 4/6/3

I still have 3 more players in academy, all of them will be available to pull next season, i will decide what to do with them when i can see their reports.

BTW +1 to Brian's suggestion.

Ruta · « **Reply #32 on:** December 23, 2013, 12:30:42 PM »

Quote from: CarlosT on December 23, 2013, 12:20:13 PM

Quote from: totasef on December 23, 2013, 12:07:57 PM
You can wait for 2 months but if you dont get good players you ll have to pay for another ones and wait again for 2 months.. Thats 4 months or bacically a season. You are missing one entire season of training and if he was younger then 18 you missed a nice training bonus

Say that you get 19y 3 / 10 /3 player, that will be at the season end so you can already make it a 20y old.

Well, it might be a waste of time, but i think it's a lot better than pulling a 3/6/4 player blindly..... That player won't reach CA10 either.

I can't train more players, so i decided to pull the remaining 3:

GK 2/4/4
DL 3/6/4
FC 4/6/3

I still have 3 more players in academy, all of them will be available to pull next season, i will decide what to do with them when i can see their reports.

BTW +1 to Brian's suggestion.

Agree wit you Carlos. Is always better to wait for better players.

But some things I have to say.
300 k or tokens for new youth is high price cause this season from best academies come players wit La 4 even!! It was very rare now is LA 4-5 is very common. La 6 is worth about 200 k and La 7 about 400-500. So possibility to cash back is not so good.
We need to realize that good times are gone. Now academies give only chance for good player in the future not concrete like it was.

PS. at some level even LA 10 means not so much. I can not train Ca 2 or 3 players with descent effective. So I am going to sell 3/10/5 I got this season. Now I have to buy players with Ca 6+
e: cannot train

Kr10s · « **Reply #33 on:** December 23, 2013, 12:37:31 PM »

Quote from: Ruta on December 23, 2013, 12:30:42 PM

But some things I have to say.
300 k or tokens for new youth is high price cause this season from best academies come players wit La 4 even!! It was very rare now is LA 4-5 is very common. La 6 is worth about 200 k and La 7 about 400-500. So possibility to cash back is not so good.

My bad, the keeper i pulled is LA7, not 4 (crappy notebook without a num pad). Not so bad actually.

The million dollar question is: are token youth better than 300k youth? Token users are having lots of "luck" recently....

Ruta · « **Reply #34 on:** December 23, 2013, 12:41:17 PM »

I've got one -GK on LA 4 and another 3/5/3 on DL :p

Kr10s · « **Reply #35 on:** December 23, 2013, 12:42:02 PM »

Quote from: Ruta on December 23, 2013, 12:41:17 PM

I've got one -GK on LA 4 and another 3/5/3 on DL :p

Outch

chefo · « **Reply #36 on:** December 23, 2013, 12:49:08 PM »

You guys are lucky on getting GKs at least. I've never received one ever since I started and this season is no exception.
I didn't expect much and didn't get much. Good academy - 1 ML 1/7/3. Worst part is all the listed players were between 3 positions only..