[Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store

[Ruta]

So you have to pay for V Good to get 20k a game?

I have 25 000 seats and in next season all will be full But even that more  money from upgrading stadium is a joke.

[blahblah]

Maybe I'll get some more seats, only 21k here, but there are so many Bots in the League.......

Good point by Ole Big Mouth about the Cup, but home draws are not guaranteed..........

[Brian Clough]

Maybe I'll get some more seats, only 21k here, but there are so many Bots in the League.......

Good point by Ole Big Mouth about the Cup, but home draws are not guaranteed..........

Ole Big Mouth??



yeah home draws are not guaranteed, but they do happen about half the time 

[blahblah]

Brian Clough's nick-name.

The English League is full of Thai managers, and the last two National managers were either Serbs, or Thai, and they are probably all running dual accounts and stuff, which makes the whole National Team thing a joke, imho. It would be far better to just put all the real managers in a pyramid and boot the bots............

[Brian Clough]

I'm just messing with ya   ...I always hated that nickname lol

The English League is full of Thai managers, and the last two National managers were either Serbs, or Thai, and they are probably all running dual accounts and stuff, which makes the whole National Team thing a joke, imho. It would be far better to just put all the real managers in a pyramid and boot the bots............

I totally agree with you...I wish nations had more relevance here

[blahblah]

A cunning edit, and I think that I treated the U-21 thang with the respect it deserved.

[i3irdie]

I think so,the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store is very low.
When you want to investments I think,
the money invested the Academy have a lot of profit ,But you   investments  upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
very long time to reture investments
  (now we are just the 5 seasons) When you upgrades it you use a lot of time to reture investments it's not worth the investment.

[Kr10s]

Well, i don't want to open a new topic related on this, so i'm pumping out this.

We had an interesting discussion at the begginning, and we always get to the same conclussion: Incomes are unbalanced.

Admin, have you considered a change in hotel/megastore/bar income?

Getting around 80.000G each week, after spending 4.250.000G on them doesn't have much sense.

[SoLid_frOg]

Did you figure this out before or after you upgrade your things ?

[Kr10s]

Of course i did!

As i said before, i was in low level when i made most of them, without them my finances would be a huge loss. But no matter how high ranked you are, you spend millions and profit increases in less than 15.000G (when you deduct maintenance fees), there's no investment/profit relation there.

[SoLid_frOg]

I was in low level too. I guess you didn't factor in the ticket revenue ?

[Littmann]

Well, i don't want to open a new topic related on this, so i'm pumping out this.

We had an interesting discussion at the begginning, and we always get to the same conclussion: Incomes are unbalanced.

Admin, have you considered a change in hotel/megastore/bar income?

Getting around 80.000G each week, after spending 4.250.000G on them doesn't have much sense.

I agree,apsolutely

[Kr10s]

I was in low level too. I guess you didn't factor in the ticket revenue ?

I did! And i aways get to the same conclussion: it doesn't matter if you invest 10.000G or 1.200.000G in something, after you deduct their maintenance fees your real profit is less than 10.000G each level, there's no relation. Any other expensive facility gives you far more profit than hotel/megastore/bar when you upgrade them. They should help people to keep their finances clean, not to reduce a loss balance every week.

My point is..... are those facilities suposed to exist to compensate expenditures? Spending a lot money on them should help you to mantain a balance in your finances without depending on a league match.

SoLid_frOg, i'm not complaining because i lose money.... i compensate that balance doing club activities, so that's not my problem. I am proposing that they should have a more important role in the game, that's all. If you look carefuly, people don't upgrade them because they feel they are not useful.

[admin]

I've sent the suggestions to the team.

[Ologga]

The English League is full of Thai managers, and the last two National managers were either Serbs, or Thai, and they are probably all running dual accounts and stuff, which makes the whole National Team thing a joke, imho. It would be far better to just put all the real managers in a pyramid and boot the bots............

Do you have any other things to tell us or you will continue disturbing us with your racist commentaries about the nationalities of english league teams?, do you have any other thing, more interesting to tell us?.

Will this team finally be banned??, because he has got a lot of ilegal benefits cheating in the u.21 english team, that u.21 that you don't want to be managed by a serbian but you can use for your own benefit. A lot of managers have been banned this week, it's not fair that blabla can continue playing.

[Brian Clough]

The English League is full of Thai managers, and the last two National managers were either Serbs, or Thai, and they are probably all running dual accounts and stuff, which makes the whole National Team thing a joke, imho. It would be far better to just put all the real managers in a pyramid and boot the bots............

Do you have any other things to tell us or you will continue disturbing us with your racist commentaries about the nationalities of english league teams?, do you have any other thing, more interesting to tell us?.

Will this team finally be banned??, because he has got a lot of ilegal benefits cheating in the u.21 english team, that u.21 that you don't want to be managed by a serbian but you can use for your own benefit. A lot of managers have been banned this week, it's not fair that blabla can continue playing.

give him a break 

he already got sacked as NT manager...isn't that enough?

He is just pointing out the truth....

Personally, I don't care about a user's nationality for managing teams so long as they are open about it and can be "socially relevant"...part of the national community of managers.
 

However, I'd really appreciate it if everyone's true location were apparent. My real (as in real world) national team has a foreign NT manager and this is common among world NTs...but he's not posing as a national (they don't pretend that they a citizen). Neither Alex Ferguson nor Roberto Mancini pretend to be English, but there they are in Manchester. Yet neither get any influence who becomes the English NT manager. Foreign managers should not get to vote for NT managers, and premium users with additional teams should not get multiple votes for NT manager!

More importantly, there is an explicit rule against playing in foreign nations for all but premium users...if there's gonna be a rule, then it should be enforced. If it's not going to be enforced - equally among all nations - then it should be done away with imo.

[blahblah]

More importantly, there is an explicit rule against playing in foreign nations for all but premium users...if there's gonna be a rule, then it should be enforced. If it's not going to be enforced - equally among all nations - then it should be done away with imo.

Exactly my point, and not in the slightest bit racist.

[Ologga]

Let's tell the things clearly.

The GMs use this rule for collect money, win money is their final goal (obvious and fair goal) but unfortunately some users have in this rule a racist argument for try to keep their countries empty of foreigners, GMs must find other ways of win money and remove this absurd rule that is damaging GKO and make some users to feel like criminals in front of the rest of the community.

To be premium (finally pay) for play in a different country is an inadmissible rule in human rights terms.

The rule wants to collect money but generates that foreigners are seen as 'bad users'

If GKO wants to be the number one of the online managers, there can’t be rules like this one in force.

Reconsider this please. Users can help you to find other financing forms, but foreigner users can't continue playing with this pressure only for be breaking a controversial rule.

That's all. Thanks a lot.

[blahblah]

Will you please stop calling me Racist.

It is GKO's rule, and a feature of Premium Membership, but they show little signs of implementing it. If you think it is against the Human Rights Acts, then you had best tell them, and\or report it to the appropriate body.

[MathewsPateras]

Will you please stop calling me Racist.

It is GKO's rule, and a feature of Premium Membership, but they show little signs of implementing it. If you think it is against the Human Rights Acts, then you had best tell them, and\or report it to the appropriate body.

You break GKO's rules constantly. You aren't the most suitable for ask that players don't cheat.

IMOH Ologga has reason. This rule is absurd. If foreign manager don't cheat he should be able to play! More players more fun and more competitive my league!! For me this is funny. I don't like win a  league uncompetitive...

[Brian Clough]

Will you please stop calling me Racist.

It is GKO's rule, and a feature of Premium Membership, but they show little signs of implementing it. If you think it is against the Human Rights Acts, then you had best tell them, and\or report it to the appropriate body.

You break GKO's rules constantly. You aren't the most suitable for ask that players don't cheat.

IMOH Ologga has reason. This rule is absurd. If foreign manager don't cheat he should be able to play! More players more fun and more competitive my league!! For me this is funny. I don't like win a  league uncompetitive...

By definition, a manager is cheating if he plays in a foreign league unless he is a premium user. These are admin's words not mine. No one wants to play with managers who can't speak their language or, worse, who don't speak at all. That is the point of having nations I think.

Oh and Ologga, you are confusing Nationalism with Racism. Get them straight!

[Ologga]

Will you please stop calling me Racist.

It is GKO's rule, and a feature of Premium Membership, but they show little signs of implementing it. If you think it is against the Human Rights Acts, then you had best tell them, and\or report it to the appropriate body.

You break GKO's rules constantly. You aren't the most suitable for ask that players don't cheat.

IMOH Ologga has reason. This rule is absurd. If foreign manager don't cheat he should be able to play! More players more fun and more competitive my league!! For me this is funny. I don't like win a  league uncompetitive...

By definition, a manager is cheating if he plays in a foreign league unless he is a premium user. These are admin's words not mine. No one wants to play with managers who can't speak their language or, worse, who don't speak at all. That is the point of having nations I think.

Oh and Ologga, you are confusing Nationalism with Racism. Get them straight!

We like play with all those useers that are right persons and managers, no matter their language, that is called racism in my country and all the world. If you make difference between the people in reason to their languages you have a big problem, and according your teories, all latin people that speak spanish can play in all the countries with spanish languages because they can speak the local language, ... the same for all english or français countries.

The problem of the nationalism is that many times drives the people to the racism and is very dangerous. But this wasn't the subject.

Precisely this is the problem that generates this rule, opinions like yours. It's really regrettable.

But well, we are taking another way different to the main discussion, if you pay or you have GM's permission, otherwise not, that's the subject, you want a gamed based in local managers and other users defend a global game where you have freedom for play where you want, respecting local rules as I have always said. Thanks.

Will you please stop calling me Racist.

It is GKO's rule, and a feature of Premium Membership, but they show little signs of implementing it. If you think it is against the Human Rights Acts, then you had best tell them, and\or report it to the appropriate body.

You shouldn't say that I have called you racist because is absolutely false. I have spoken about the rule.

Your only problem, besides your behavior in the NT team (and you haven`t been sanctioned)  is that you want to win thanks  no matter what ways, you shield yourself in this rule but we have seen what kind of manager you are and I am sure that you would make no matter what thing for get benefits.

[blahblah]

some users have in this rule a racist argument for try to keep their countries empty of foreigners,

That is calling me a racist, in my opinion.

Btw, I don't recall asking to be an U21 manager, and I had no sensible search tools...........

[Ologga]

some users have in this rule a racist argument for try to keep their countries empty of foreigners,

That is calling me a racist, in my opinion.

Btw, I don't recall asking to be an U21 manager, and I had no sensible search tools...........

You are displeased because you feel that you are a racist according to my post and I feel that many users don't want the free establishment of managers in foreing leagues, call it like you want but don't feel displeased please. And how must we feel all the time you have been trainning your own players in U-21?, cheated?, no punishment by the moment, ... remove from U-21 wasn't a punishment, it was just necessary.

Well, OK, we don't say that is a racist rule, we will keep out racist word forever from the forum, we will say that is in my opinion a really unfortunate rule, then nobody will be disgusted with my sentence, and that must be removed.

But there is a honest point to the community penalty as a non-native country specific language speaker (wow absolutely many awesome words in a row!) will not be able to contribute as much. But there is no rule saying one has to contribute to the national community.

Here is the argument that many users that don't want foreigner managers say, they don't speak our language, they don't contribute to our community and there are no rules that require to be an active user in terms of speak in the community or similar. Be a good manager, give competence to the country, contribute to the NT team with good players are the important skills that a good manager must offer to the community. Let's forget the provenance of each manager.

A lot of local users don't contribute to their communities, don't speak, ... why not ask ban for him?. Because It wouldn't be a logical thing.

[Brian Clough]

First, language is NOT a barrier. Babylon or Google translate programs work just fine...it's like having a heavy accent. So I guess I don't get your point here.

Second, if you want "to play with all those useers that are right persons and managers, no matter their language" isn't that what happens in WCL? in the WC? in any friendly match you want to make? There are many opportunities to play with people all over the world here.

Third, would you want foreigners voting your national leaders? I doubt it. It seems that a dedicated group could easily 'infiltrate' and fix another nation's elections in order to throw the competition. This is particularly dangerous in relatively small nations who get <50 total votes for manager. For me, it is about keeping nations relevant, not keeping people out.

You know, admin implements this rule quite strictly in my country, at least among top level teams. We have had 4 or 5 out of 10 managers banned this season alone, all with foreign ip addresses and no detectable transfer cheating. If the rule is racist, take it up with admin. I just want them to either enforce it (equally for all nations) or get rid of it.

Who cares what nationality a manager has? As long as he play fair its ok. Focus on keeping members, and kick cheaters. Simple really.

But there is a honest point to the community penalty as a non-native country specific language speaker (wow absolutely many awesome words in a row!) will not be able to contribute as much. But there is no rule saying one has to contribute to the national community.

Exactly...so you get privileges (the right to vote) that come with no responsibilities (honesty, national interests)? I am convinced that election rigging will happen (if it already hasn't) within the next few seasons with existing system. Nations quickly lose relevance...we might as well include fictional nations like Mordor or Narnia.