What do you think about MotS?

[MathewsPateras]

Get  Mots only alter the normal development of the game!!

Mots is the strategy of the losers!! 

This is like Barcelona must always to win because is the best team, but he lose sometimes. In GKO, this must happens too, and all the teams, play the best vs Real Madrid and Barcelona, but this doesn't mean that they win.

Real Madrid never will win Barcelona even playing Mots!! 

[Ologga]

what is the MOTS in real life? DOPING?? Is absurd

+1

[Sopelana]

what is the MOTS in real life? DOPING?? Is absurd

+1

Mots is not like dopping, because dopping is forbidden, and mots not. Mots it's like and extra, we call "prima" in Spain.

Get  Mots only alter the normal development of the game!!

Mots is the strategy of the losers!! 

This is like Barcelona must always to win because is the best team, but he lose sometimes. In GKO, this must happens too, and all the teams, play the best vs Real Madrid and Barcelona, but this doesn't mean that they win.

Real Madrid never will win Barcelona even playing Mots!! 

Mots, is another strategy, one real team can decided when he gives an extra to his players, like if you win champions, you will get 1,000,000 € each player. This is mots, an extra motived for players.

Are you sure that Real Madrid will never win to Barcelona. As I can remenber Real Madrid had win to Barcelona, in last cup final, and be sure, he will win again to the best team. And Barcelona is going to be the best team in spite of lose with RM. When the strongest team lose with another team that on y mean that, a defeat, not more.

[Ologga]

what is the MOTS in real life? DOPING?? Is absurd

+1

Mots is not like dopping, because dopping is forbidden, and mots not. Mots it's like and extra, we call "prima" in Spain.

that's the goal of some users in this post, forbidden mots, jeje.

[Sopelana]

what is the MOTS in real life? DOPING?? Is absurd

+1

Mots is not like dopping, because dopping is forbidden, and mots not. Mots it's like and extra, we call "prima" in Spain.

that's the goal of some users in this post, forbidden mots, jeje.

There is many extra, per goal, per match, per objetive, to third one....

[Ologga]

what do you think about mots?, I think mots are a fucking shit! because this help has make me lost my 2nd top level league, one last season, another one today after suffer my 5th mots against.

Here we can see that mots are used for help friend teams too.

What reason can have a manager (my today’s opponent) that is absolutely lost in the table without options of win the league or be relegated, he had mots remaining and he is still playing in cup, normally that mots would be kept for use them in cup for try to win it.

But not, my today's opponent has used a mots against me this afternoon (5th this season) despite he need it for the cup. Perhaps the reason is that he is the same user or friend that other team in my league that has options for win the league, AC SPORTES, CASUALLY BOTH TEAMS ARE FROM POLAND, BOTH PLAY THE SAME STRANGE TACTIC, BOTH HAVE BEGUN AT THE SAME TIME IN THE GAME, …  Absolutely suspect and I’d like admin or gamemaster check this point.

I'm absolutely bored with this subject, this is absolutely shameful.

We can see here that mots are useful too for help another teams to win position or tittles.

[Kr10s]

Ologga, using MotS to help somebody and not to get a benefict to your squad is something that is not right, that's for sure....

Is AC Sportes's manager related with Team of Spirit's manager? What an interesting point of view....

Ac Sportes manager:

Date : 14/01/2012 13:12:41 - ip : 79.185.218.xxx
Date : 12/01/2012 14:43:17 - ip : 79.185.241.xxx
Date : 10/01/2012 22:51:22 - ip : 77.113.172.xxx
Date : 10/01/2012 10:39:01 - ip : 91.143.93.xxx
Date : 09/01/2012 12:25:31 - ip : 79.185.241.xxx
Date : 08/01/2012 16:01:43 - ip : 91.143.93.xxx
Date : 08/01/2012 16:01:28 - ip : 91.143.93.xxx
Date : 08/01/2012 16:01:08 - ip : 91.143.93.xxx
Date : 08/01/2012 12:46:16 - ip : 91.143.93.xxx
Date : 08/01/2012 12:38:01 - ip : 91.143.93.xxx

Team of Spirit manager:

Date : 14/01/2012 18:33:30 - ip : 95.40.51.xxx
Date : 14/01/2012 11:24:14 - ip : 95.40.51.xxx
Date : 14/01/2012 00:22:10 - ip : 77.112.176.xxx
Date : 13/01/2012 22:24:03 - ip : 77.112.176.xxx
Date : 13/01/2012 20:40:10 - ip : 77.112.176.xxx
Date : 13/01/2012 12:17:29 - ip : 77.112.176.xxx
Date : 13/01/2012 10:52:41 - ip : 77.112.176.xxx
Date : 12/01/2012 20:50:51 - ip : 77.113.172.xxx
Date : 12/01/2012 11:17:03 - ip : 77.113.172.xxx
Date : 11/01/2012 22:37:27 - ip : 77.113.172.xxx

Ologga, if you're absolutely sure that both managers are related, this people is braking the Terms of Service, you know what you should do...... it might be a serious cheat issue.

[MathewsPateras]

Another clear example why the Mots should be removed!!

Mots only alter the normal development of the game!!

[Ologga]

Ologga, using MotS to help somebody and not to get a benefict to your squad is something that is not right, that's for sure....

Is AC Sportes's manager related with Team of Spirit's manager? What an interesting point of view....

Ac Sportes manager:

Date : 14/01/2012 13:12:41 - ip : 79.185.218.xxx
Date : 12/01/2012 14:43:17 - ip : 79.185.241.xxx
Date : 10/01/2012 22:51:22 - ip : 77.113.172.xxx
Date : 10/01/2012 10:39:01 - ip : 91.143.93.xxx
Date : 09/01/2012 12:25:31 - ip : 79.185.241.xxx
Date : 08/01/2012 16:01:43 - ip : 91.143.93.xxx
Date : 08/01/2012 16:01:28 - ip : 91.143.93.xxx
Date : 08/01/2012 16:01:08 - ip : 91.143.93.xxx
Date : 08/01/2012 12:46:16 - ip : 91.143.93.xxx
Date : 08/01/2012 12:38:01 - ip : 91.143.93.xxx

Team of Spirit manager:

Date : 14/01/2012 18:33:30 - ip : 95.40.51.xxx
Date : 14/01/2012 11:24:14 - ip : 95.40.51.xxx
Date : 14/01/2012 00:22:10 - ip : 77.112.176.xxx
Date : 13/01/2012 22:24:03 - ip : 77.112.176.xxx
Date : 13/01/2012 20:40:10 - ip : 77.112.176.xxx
Date : 13/01/2012 12:17:29 - ip : 77.112.176.xxx
Date : 13/01/2012 10:52:41 - ip : 77.112.176.xxx
Date : 12/01/2012 20:50:51 - ip : 77.113.172.xxx
Date : 12/01/2012 11:17:03 - ip : 77.113.172.xxx
Date : 11/01/2012 22:37:27 - ip : 77.113.172.xxx

Ologga, if you're absolutely sure that both managers are related, this people is braking the Terms of Service, you know what you should do...... it might be a serious cheat issue.

Yeah, here is the datum that I needed, thanks a lot.

[Sopelana]

This doesn't change my opinion, he is in law to play mots when he wants, if you don't like it's your problem. Each one play like he wants to do. It's not normal, but he can do it.

If both teams are the same, that's not legal, in this case, I will confirm your furious, and they should be banned.

And, finally, I continue deffending mots

[Kr10s]

This doesn't change my opinion, he is in law to play mots when he wants, if you don't like it's your problem. Each one play like he wants to do. It's not normal, but he can do it.

Sopelana, that's not legal.... i can't find Terms of Service written in english (i've tried to change game language, but i see them only in spanish), but you can understand this:

1. Gokickoff terminará la cuenta de un usuario en cualquier momento si dicho usuario viola estas reglas.

- Un usuario no debe registrar (o tratar de registrar) más de una cuenta.
- Comerciar jugadores con amigos, conocidos o jugadores con la misma IP está estrictamente prohibido.
- Cualquier acción que beneficie a Cualquier persona expresamente.
- Cualquier acto que sea considerado ilegal, difamatorio, obsceno, acosante o de cualquier modo objetable.

Please see: http://www.gokickoff.com/termsofservice.php

If both teams are playing together, and those MotS were used only to make things harder to Ologga (and easier to AC Sportes) then they're making something ilegal. This might be a very serious issue.

[ToTO]

Real Madrid never will win Barcelona even playing Mots!! 

    José Mourinho always used Mots against Barcelona in very times he met since he was Chelsea manager ( He made Stamford Bridge to be Stamford Beach.  Yes, i like it  )  but his Mots success only Inter Milan era.  lolz


Mots is a big issue in Thailand forum too.  Many people would like to remove Mots from the GKO but some of them disagree because of some reasons  for example  TEAM A is player from Top level  and TEAM B is a new player from D level.  They will meet each other at The Cup  if without Mots , only things that TEAM B manager can do is to send the best squad and find another team to play friendly match because he has no chance to fight against bigger team.   In the other hand, Mots may make you a problem if your team is a big name team and come from Upper League, you may meet Mots in every rounds you meet active player.  That's is a very bad situation ( yeah, as you guys said  "Mots target" )
In my opinion , Mots should be existed but should have penalty as well   such as
1)  if TEAM A use Mots and win, TEAM A players must lose more condition but if they use Mots but still lose , winner gains more moral from normal but Mots user loses more condition and more moral.
2)  some restrictions for using Mots or something like that.

[chefo]

Okay, I dont understand what all these walls of text are about, but isnt restricting MotS from WCL simply enough?
New players need MotS in league matches so they can move to upper leagues easier and thus develop faster..

[Ologga]

ANOTHER UNACCEPTABLE EXAMPLE:

A team called king of europe (155756), http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=155756. A team just started in the game, without any transfer, only the squad that he received some weeks ago, no facilities, no coachs, nothing.

In the other side Borussia, my team, a year working for make a strong team, fighting last thursday with the best team in the ranks for try to win the WCL, a squad with some of the best players of GKO world, ...

This afternoon, King of Europe plays a mots in the cup (4th mots in 10 days against borussia, 7th this season), and no chances for the strong team.

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2724186


ADMIN, IS THIS NORMAL?, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY TO THIS?, HOW CAN GAMEMASTERS EXPLAIN THE MOTS SUBJECT IN GENERAL???.

A STRONG TEAM IS MADE EMPLOYING A LOT OF HOURS FOR BUILD IT, READIND THE RULES AND THINKING HOW TO PLAY BETTER. I repeat that I can lose in WCL like I lost last Thursday so heavy defeat against rsc arsenal and it's ok, however, today's performance of my opponent only for use a mots is unacceptable.

I leave my team in this point at least until the next season, and if recover the necessary motivation for continue, I wll be very happy of see you here again.

Good luck for everybody.

[Diartt]

i think u have right  .   for example in Thailand there isn"t any top level team in  cup now. They used MOTS to defeat them and they made it ok   . this is not right  .

[MathewsPateras]

It's totally unacceptable what is happening with Mots!

Be working with your team for a long time for winning leagues or cups is a nonsense. Any Team moderate good using Mots, have everything to win the match.

The only thing that is going to achieve with this is that good managers spend much time on this game get tired and leave....

Other good managers will go improving slowly, and the day comes that you will win great teams without "extra vitamin"!!

MOTS SHOULD BE REMOVED!!

My full support to Ologga.

[Kr10s]

Ologga, will you ever be at least once self-critic? What do you expect using only 3 man in your defensive half? Using only one DC against an active user? It might work against bots and unnactive, but not against an active manager.

Man, i am with you lots of times, but you complain all the time!

A team playing WCC shouldn't have a AAoP 2 a team AAoP 2 is a "normal" team, some newbies receive teams AAoP 2 ¹/₂, if you could've used a strong team, i'm sure your AAoP should be 3 (2 1/2 at least).

Just look at your rival's formation and check your match commentary..... he played counter-attack with long passes (13 long passes in commentary AND 13 shots), what kind of defense do you expect with 1 DC against 2 FC  and 1 AMC through the middle?

You created chances, but you gave him too much space!

Those matches are from today's cup matches:

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2724266
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2724273.

The only 2 teams that used MotS today in argentinian cup drew their matches and lost on PK, none of them have a squad than can be compared to yours, so...... what's your point here?

IT'S TIME TO CRY LESS AND BE MORE SELF-CRITIC

Ologga, i'm starting to believe that your team is strong, but you're not as strong as it seems...... this is how a Top Division plays against a lower division team using MotS: http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2722543
You're really far in managerial skills IMHO......

[SoLid_frOg]

I agree with CarlosT.

MotS doesn't make difference that much.

It is overvalued by a lot of people.

Trust me, i'm in a very active league and play with MotS all the time.

For example,
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2099336
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2723602
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2099456

but yeah, sometimes i lose
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2099427

It's life. It's football. 

[Ologga]

With all my respect for you, I must say you that you are mixing 'to cry' with a deep indignation created by an unfair tool like is mots. Mots not only make you that your matches are more difficult, besides if you lost that match, your mental condition decreases, so that mots has influence in the following matches and competitions.

If these are the rules it's ok, I don't mind very much in this moment, but I know what is important in this game. Many of users want a game where the winner in the cups or league is not the strongest team, and the lucky is a factor quite important, ok. We must know where and how will play. Perhaps I was blind for that factor in the game.

I have used a enough team for win today, 2,5 hearts, but not thinking to play against a mots, that's not important anymore.

I think that your final intervention hasn't been very polite towards me (you are moderator) but it's well, neither mine was polite, I was burning.

Thank you and I hope to be here again in some days. The most important thing is to know the game rules, despite I had past hours and days reading them. Ciao.

[Kr10s]

I have used a enough team for win today, 2,5 hearts, but not thinking to play against a mots, that's not important anymore.

Who said that? You? I don't agree with you at all.
In any case, if you used enough, i believe you didn't use it right. I gave you my reasons before, you say you used enough? Your AAoP didn't reach 2,5... so, is your argument valid? Were your tactic right too? Ok, to you a single defender is enough to stop 3 players trough the middle in a counter-attack situation? If your analysis say that it's enough, this match analysis ended here, because i trully believe you're mistaken.

BTW, read game manual, chapter 12, this might be interesting to you:

Surroundings have effect on player's action as well. Excellent attackers may have a hard time scoring against a packed in defense. Whereas in contrast, weak attackers may pass through the defense easily if he is outnumbered by the defenders.

I think that your final intervention hasn't been very polite towards me (you are moderator) but it's well, neither mine was polite, I was burning.

Ologga, the fact that i am a moderator doesn't mean i can't give you my opinion, and my opinion is the one i said before: "you cry all the time", you complain all the time, and i said that before, sometimes i'm with you, sometimes i'm not. This time, i believe you're wrong..... are you suggesting that i should only say good things to you?

Ologga, i'm an user here, same than you, i have my opinion and i'm using my right to say what i believe...... i don't mind if it doesn't like you, i didn't do anything that deserves a penalty, i didn't brake a rule saying what i believe, so live with it.

[Ologga]

Ologga, the fact that i am a moderator doesn't mean i can't give you my opinion, and my opinion is the one i said before: "you cry all the time", you complain all the time, and i said that before, sometimes i'm with you, sometimes i'm not. This time, i believe you're wrong..... are you suggesting that i should only say good things to you?

Ologga, i'm an user here, same than you, i have my opinion and i'm using my right to say what i believe...... i don't mind if it doesn't like you, i didn't do anything that deserves a penalty, i didn't brake a rule saying what i believe, so live with it.

Perhaps I think that there are many injustices in the game and I try to denounce them for gamemaster correct them, but you say I am crying, that's is your opinion, but spend many hours in make the best squad and have this results make me think. I one of the users that give more ideas for improve gko, some of them good ideas, others no. I like this game and there are things that I think are incomprehensible.

I have never said you must have a penalty for that you have said me. Be quiet for that.

As I said before, the match is lost and this subject finished.

[json333]

MoTS is an useless option for me.
I promise myself not to use this option forever!
Last time I face it I won 3-1.

[Brian Clough]

Well it looks like most people either want MotS removed or reformed.

Personally, I'd really like to know what a MotS even does. 

My observations have led me to conclude that it basically removes any (and all?) ENV penalties from low experience, adaptation to team, position proficiency and maybe even condition! What do you think?

[คuไม่มีดี]

I agree with CarlosT.

MotS doesn't make difference that much.

It is overvalued by a lot of people.

Trust me, i'm in a very active league and play with MotS all the time.

For example,
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2099336
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2723602
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2099456

but yeah, sometimes i lose
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2099427

It's life. It's football. 

It is a nightmare if I have to live with you.
I agree with you

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2099222
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2099246

and I lose

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2099206

and when I use

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2099086
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2099190

The only thing to distract.
Morale is down.

[Kr10s]

Well it looks like most people either want MotS removed or reformed.

Personally, I'd really like to know what a MotS even does. 

My observations have led me to conclude that it basically removes any (and all?) ENV penalties from low experience, adaptation to team, position proficiency and maybe even condition! What do you think?

Admin once said that MotS increases your player's skills, he didn't menction morale/adpatation/experience.