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[suggestion] center-right and center-left postitions
« on: November 12, 2011, 04:33:49 PM »
In each line of the formation, there are 5 spots that players can placed (L, CL [center-left], C, CR [center-right], and R). However proficiencies are only given for 3 spots L/C/R, and only central players (C) can fill the 3 middle spots without penalty. I think that wing players (L or R) should be allowed to be played in their respective center-wing (CL or CR) positions without penalty, or with only the tiny penalty (2%) equivalent to "accomplished" rating. Similarly, playing a central player in either the CL or CR positions would give them the same slight penalty unless they are proficient in both central and wing positions.

For example, imagine a ML (or AML, DML, DL) player without any proficiency as a central player. Currently they can only be placed in the following positions (X) of the line without penalty:
X O O O O

Instead, IMO the L player should be able to be played in the following positions (X) without the regular penalty:
X X O O O
...and similarly for the right (O O O X X rather than just O O O O X).

Central players would still have the most flexibility as to where they can play (3 spots without big penalty), but with such a change, we would get a bit more flexibility with wing players with 2 spots, rather than just the 1 they can be played in without (significant) penalty.

More importantly, L and R players should interact periodically with MR and ML players at the very least, which does not seem to happen in existing match engine

« Last Edit: April 05, 2012, 04:44:05 AM by buncombe »
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Re: [suggestion] let wings play left/right of center witihout a big penalty
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2011, 09:03:55 PM »
Then it would be 2 wings with 2 spots and only 1 mc in center as as understood.atm. it all looks fair enought with positions

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Re: [suggestion] let wings play left/right of center witihout a big penalty
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2011, 09:29:23 PM »
Then it would be 2 wings with 2 spots and only 1 mc in center as as understood.atm. it all looks fair enought with positions

No, I'm suggesting that the left- or right-central positions would work equally well for center OR wing players. Thus 3 spots for C, and 2 for each of the wings, albeit with a small penalty (1-2%) except for players rated "natural" in both center and wing spots of a given line.
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Re: [suggestion] let wings play left/right of center witihout a big penalty
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2011, 02:41:13 AM »
no need imho.

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Re: [suggestion] let wings play left/right of center witihout a big penalty
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 07:46:19 AM »
Well, I just think that having 3 spots for central players and only 1 spot for wing players makes central players more versatile than they should be. In real life, wing players are often played more centrally (i.e. they don't play SO wide) when it is advantageous.

This would make sense if 40% of all GKO players in each line (AM, M DM, and D) were wing players (2 spots out of 5) and 60% were central players (3 spots out of 5), but my guess is that it's more like 55-67% are wing players (L or R) while only 33-45% are central (C) players, based on an overall impression from watching the transfer list over the past several months. If wing players got 4 positions and central players their 3, then it would complement these numbers (4/7=57% and 3/7=43%) and put them more in line with the actual number of players proficient in each playable position in GKO.
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Re: [suggestion] let wings play left/right of center witihout a big penalty
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2011, 08:27:07 PM »
Also, if a player is rated "natural" as a (e.g. left) wing player and "unconvincing" as a central player, they should get only an intermediate penalty (equivalent to "accomplished" rating) if played in the left-of-center spot. My point is that they would likely play better if placed left of center than right of center, though both spots count the same (as central position) currently.

The same would go for a left wing player rated natural as the winger and no rating in the central spot. If they were played left-of-center, they should play equivalent to "unconvincing" rating rather than with the full penalty of being played completely out of position, IMO.
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no need imho.

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It does matter, and here's why:
As far as I can tell, midfield RC and LC players do not interact with opponent midfield L and R players in match engine. I don't find this very realistic (especially when anything but "stick to position" tactic is used), which is problematic using "Italian" formations that lack wide midfielders. In these formations, aren't central players supposed to play the entire width if possible, particularly when defending?

Similarly, DL and DR postions do not interact with central attacking players unless selected as target man marker. Wouldn't roaming players (on attack) often interact with opponent defensive wings, especially when anything but 'man marking' tactic is used? They do in the rw, but not so much in GKO.
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