Author Topic: Armagedon. Players without contract (Read 21103 times)

Ruta · « **Reply #75 on:** February 22, 2016, 01:03:57 PM »

And what when somebody don't want capped players and want to go them free ? They will earn money another season :p

Sopelana · « **Reply #76 on:** February 22, 2016, 01:18:45 PM »

Quote from: mihut on February 22, 2016, 12:24:36 PM

Quote from: Sopelana on February 22, 2016, 11:34:45 AM
Quote from: Kr10s on February 22, 2016, 11:10:36 AM
Mihut, your point is not entirely right and let me tell you why:
UNH status was removed WITHOUT NOTICE, i don't know how you run your preseason, but to me, the preseason is mostly to farm player's morale: in fact, last season ivstarted playing against teams that ended playing WCC this season, i am not connected 24/7 so i expected my players to turn UNH at any momento, so i renewed contracts, the same habit i used durin the previous 14 seasons i played GKO.

I UNDERSTAND THAT RESTORING THE DATABASE WAS NEEDED, isn't fair but it certainly was needed. But what about those who paid high wages the whole season or renewed contracts in time? Once again, fact proves us that cheating and doing things wrong is Ok.
And i will be beyond: all teams who recovered their players have them with the old wages, theirnwages are not even updated! In some cases, the players are CA7+ LA9+ amd their wage is around 2K, now they have their players, have another season to leave their wages untouched (if they care to farm only) and they've got another seasonnto keepnthe players there, playing for only 2K/week.
Not to menction that those players can be sold, and in some situations, they are worth millions! So lhe least i expected was CONTRACTS UPDATED, no tjust renewed.

So i understand that this move was needed, but no reward to good managerial moves and no penalties to bad managerial moves? Show must go on i guess.

And what about my team that upgrade the wage room because of all the free players I was going to buy and now is unuseful?. And like you said, the extra-wages of all the season we paid ...

I agree that was necessary the restore, but this collateral effect must be solved too (and the non played friendlies).

Cheers!!!.

carlos, i've never said it's the perfect situation. it's the lesser worse of the 2 situations. it had to be done, for the game to keep a huge amount of users, that otherwise would have quit.

the current situation, even with those players on the same contracts, is far better then the previous situation. no penalty to others, that are not as good managers as we are, is something i'm willing to accept, considering the alternative. hell, i'm even happy, because the other users get to keep playing. and i repeat, i had absolutely no players lost.

moving on to what you said about removing unh status without notice. the unh status was not removed. i consider removing as an intentional action, as something planned and something that is there to stay. last season we had no unh status, because of an error. i consider a proof to support this statement in the fact that the unh status was updated as usual, this season, a few hours after the season's reset and minutes before the error-fixing shut down. this is how it used to be in the past seasons, sometimes maybe with a delay, like a day, max.

i also use the preseason to boost morale. and i also renew contracts, but i have a system. i am online very often, actually, i have a computer that runs pretty much non-stop, some applications, and i keep the browser on and whenever i want, i just take a look to see if i have any new messages or pretty much take care of the details.

now, back to how i managed the renewal, last season: i renewed to the players i sent on loan, of course. actually, i think i had 2 on 1 year contracts so i was forced by the system to renew. i also had another one that i think it was on a 3 year contract and i was sending him away, but i wanted to be sure he won't be unhappy at his new team, so i was waiting and waiting for the unhappy update. the update never happened and the other user wanted to take him, no matter what, so i sent him away without renewing his contract (he might have not liked his salary, even with a 3 years contract).

for the rest of the players, i just waited for the update, thinking that, for as long as i keep the old contracts, i save money. and it was the right thing to do, as the update never happened. i only renewed after the league was over, only to the players on a 1 year contract (usually, the players with 2 years contracts would become unhappy, but now, it seems that only the ones with 1 year do. or that's how it's in my team).

but again, i'm a user that takes care of the details, reads the forum, knows a few things about the game. there are others that aren't paying so much attention and are playing other managers, some are playing many other managers, so it's understandable to miss this aspect, since they were used to receive a warning for each player that had a contract issue.

again: they knew they were being shown if there's a problem. if no warning appeared, it's only natural to conclude everything is fine and to disregard this aspect of the game. now they see there is a problem and they can act. if they will not renew, then forget and lose the players, they have no excuse and they should suffer the consequences. but for last season, they were not told to renew, by a system that had taught them to wait until they are being told to renew.

to me, this is like you would have a green light and them be told to slow down, even stop to make sure nobody is running the red light to hit you. they had the green light from the system, but the system also showed green light, where the red light was supposed to be.

Sopelana: i don't think you upgraded the player room, yesterday, after seeing so many free players (it takes 2 weeks to take effect) to buy players that would expire in only a few days. further more, with so many teams short of players, they were being forced to buy, no matter the price, so they were also your competition in the bidding process.

the free players were not all the players lost, they were only the ones used in national teams. this is only a fraction of the players lost and that fraction was desired by all those wanting to keep playing (and lost players), plus those wanting a good deal. i don't really think that was a time for a good deal, as a buyer, but as a seller.

Why you don't trust me??

I upgraded because many players on my team was going to became unhappy, it means salaries from 9K to 40k in some cases. I had 17 players bided, so I needed to solve unhappy status asap, after I would buy some players.

http://imgur.com/6J6bW7i

I will trust in your maths to solve when I did it ..

Finally, I would like to say again that I agree with the backup they did, it was necessary to all, even some users did our work at time. .

Cheers.

Sopelana · « **Reply #77 on:** February 22, 2016, 02:09:40 PM »

I would add something that "nobody" think about it, for sure, what happens with users that didn't want to renew contracts because they wanted to fire players?. In Spain we have a case and he is very angry. Now he must to pay for fire those players.

These cases must be solved too. But like it's not a problem if one leave ... maybe admin. did "his" justice ... and all is ok.

mihut · « **Reply #78 on:** February 22, 2016, 04:53:07 PM »

it's not that i don't believe you have upgraded, but i believe buying was not the only reason. i just think you needed to upgrade anyway

Sopelana · « **Reply #79 on:** February 22, 2016, 05:02:27 PM »

Quote from: mihut on February 22, 2016, 04:53:07 PM

it's not that i don't believe you have upgraded, but i believe buying was not the only reason. i just think you needed to upgrade anyway

Ok, I had before upgrade +550.000 for salaries. After I solved unhappy status, I have salaries for 395.000k, why I need to improve to the best wage room? Because I had 17 player bided. So If I bought many of them, I couldn't solve UNH status, so I decided to upgrade asap, cause as you know 2 week are needed to improve. In that way I could buy players, and in 2 week, solve the increase of my unhappy players after wage room was built.

But now, I have a wage room that I don't need for 2M and exta cost of 5K every week because other users didn't their job ...

Like Carlos said, it was necessary but unfair ... I agree with him.

mihut · « **Reply #80 on:** February 22, 2016, 05:19:16 PM »

ok, now i understand.

you postponed the renewal of this season's unh status, in order to buy players. it's different than how i see things, that's why i didn't understand. i would first take care of all unh, to make sure i have a full strength team and not make errors in championship, that could prove costly at the bottom line. only after, i would take care of other stuff.

but then again, i never buy any players at all, so it's only natural to put renewal of key players as my priority.