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My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« on: December 26, 2013, 12:03:29 PM »
After read dozens of interpretations of the new match engine I will give a new opinion. The match engine has no mistakes.

As very authorized user said, now it will be very difficult to get credits in the minigame because small teams will be able of beat strong teams (something checked with my own team in friendlies, now we are more ‘winnable’) …

I think that everything is very well calculated by Admin and gamemasters, all teams in the game have a quite high number of credits and if we have enough credits we don’t buy more credits in the GKO shop, then, there is no business, the objective would be to provocate that teams spend their credits normally and as we can’t get more of then so easy, force us to buy them paying cash. Very easy rule in business market.

Then, I will adapt myself to the ‘new rules’ waiting after admin decide to give us those rules and try to enjoy an abandonated game except for collect user’s money. I don’t like to think this but all evidences along the three years that GKO is working indicate me that instead be a business, owners only are interested in our money and they hide that very bad, nothing has been done in this time for improve user's experience in the game, our own experience for past a great time playing GKO.

They 'improved' the academy a year ago for generate an higher movement of tokens if you want to promote more youths, they gave us a youths school that is a hole where we can spend all our team money we want because is a no finnish race for be the 1st team in the rankings, giving us very bad players as feedback, they gave us a premium that in difference to other similar games, here you get advantages paying own cash, provocating between users a similar race for be the 1st in the ranking, like in youth schools, in this case, paying and paying until be the 1st team of the game, ... with these evidences I can't think another thing about new match engine, I am sorry :p

With this prospect in the game and an absolutely evidence of abandon by the owners in a game where no new teams have been registred in the last year and we are less and les users, the new season interest me the same that a boiled potato, nothing. Each season the frustration of the users in this game is bigger and bigger, probably I won’t try to do something for understand the ‘new rules’ until Admin give us honestly those rules perfectly explained and I know very well that nothing will be done in that way.

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Re: My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2013, 01:47:27 PM »
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Re: My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2013, 04:20:24 PM »
there can not be a total game changer suddenly
also do not forget that in this game we play.

I repeat this is not a change like the others that have been
is a new way to play this game

no posts that we have trained a long time now no longer have the
importance of before, and see for months great deals of these players

I think this change is disproportionate and even more without giving information

to? leveling down ......
if fortune now will have a fundamental role

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Re: My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2013, 04:32:08 AM »
also bot teams will benefit immesurably from this change with the 4-4-2 they use

inactive/bot teams will also benefit since default training is suddenly a not-so-bad option

in fact, this takes a lot of the benefit from specific training since specialization is now so de-emphasized.
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Re: My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2013, 04:38:59 AM »
From rain to waterfall >:(
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2013, 07:11:25 PM »
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Re: My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2013, 07:31:25 PM »
Of course the standard 4-4-2 of bot teams now is better than with the old engine. Anyway, a bot team is still a bot team, so i will not care about them. The bullshit is that all managers lost the last seasons training our player in a manner that now has to be totally re-visited. For example, i have NO central midfilders, i used only DMC....what a mess....I can still use DMC but now for me it would be better to have DMC/MC not just DMC....
But as you said, it is the world where we live in.... :(
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2013, 11:09:51 AM »
 8)  Great, and 'a long time that I say!  8)
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2014, 09:51:35 AM »
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Re: My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2014, 10:15:01 PM »
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=6897346
My opponent play offside trap,my players go to offside 6 times,1 time DL (could be) 2 times my DC !!! What he is doing there behind not only mid. line but also attackers!
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=6897381 I go strong attack and pressing more,my opponent create one shot on goal and score but thats not what I dont like...He score passing long ball to striker which is winning a ball against my...FL and is of the last defender.!!! Long pass and my most press formation is a last one in defense line!
I think cumulative score is good way to improve this game but some balanced must be done.DC are not players who are running out to offside in any tactic,same Attackers are not the last one in defense formation.Looks like engine create situations on pitch with same percentage as it calculate tactic score and basicly 30% for tactic score means also 30% time of that player in specific situation.Thats only some example for offsides DC pos. and opposite last defender with attackers.Im sure there is much more problems like those two.
My premium Expire Date :17/07/2015 and with current game play I will not support anymore because:
1.I lost my entusiasm,even when serach for best tactic my work can be destroy cause of not realistic situation(I feel like a beta tester not like a premium member).Basicly Im losing my time.
2.I can set best tactic for my team on this engine without premium help in 5 minutes (Im sure many users already know how easy it is).Of course for usres with high level players/teams is more difficult against similar teams but in low level teams its very clear and final score is more in luck than before.Will be interesting to see what this engine can create for best teams when they play against each other in WCL.
3.In my situation I can just wait 10 seasons and build my club background without premium-even better I dont have to log in so often to get G's bonus from  club activity what imo is really madness ! Premium members must log in more often here than non premium to benefit something.
No thanks I will wait when premium is expired,maybe after 10 seasons something will change.At least I make some G's to change my club name,nick name,and stadium name which for premium members should be for free and for rest pay by G's  8)
I really hope this game can survive but for now: Quo Vadis Domine GKO?
I will buy young players with PR 5 and higher,send me your offer.

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Re: My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2014, 10:46:29 PM »
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=6897346
My opponent play offside trap,my players go to offside 6 times,1 time DL (could be) 2 times my DC !!! What he is doing there behind not only mid. line but also attackers!

That's not new. It also used to happen with old engine. How to avoid it?
* Do not play more attacking/all out attack
* Avoid short passing
* Use target man

You will notice that offside numbers reduces, a lot.

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=6897381 I go strong attack and pressing more,my opponent create one shot on goal and score but thats not what I dont like...He score passing long ball to striker which is winning a ball against my...FL and is of the last defender.!!! Long pass and my most press formation is a last one in defense line!
I think cumulative score is good way to improve this game but some balanced must be done.DC are not players who are running out to offside in any tactic,same Attackers are not the last one in defense formation.Looks like engine create situations on pitch with same percentage as it calculate tactic score and basicly 30% for tactic score means also 30% time of that player in specific situation.Thats only some example for offsides DC pos. and opposite last defender with attackers.Im sure there is much more problems like those two.

Funny huh? That's one of the things i hate about this new engine, people claims that playing 4-2-4 leave your team weaken on wings, that would be reasonable if FORWARDS wouldn't be defending. Cumulative levels in team tactics is PERFECT, a lot better than the old average levels, but influence on player's performance is too big.

My premium Expire Date :17/07/2015 and with current game play I will not support anymore because:
1.I lost my entusiasm,even when serach for best tactic my work can be destroy cause of not realistic situation(I feel like a beta tester not like a premium member).Basicly Im losing my time.
2.I can set best tactic for my team on this engine without premium help in 5 minutes (Im sure many users already know how easy it is).Of course for usres with high level players/teams is more difficult against similar teams but in low level teams its very clear and final score is more in luck than before.Will be interesting to see what this engine can create for best teams when they play against each other in WCL.
3.In my situation I can just wait 10 seasons and build my club background without premium-even better I dont have to log in so often to get G's bonus from  club activity what imo is really madness ! Premium members must log in more often here than non premium to benefit something.
No thanks I will wait when premium is expired,maybe after 10 seasons something will change.At least I make some G's to change my club name,nick name,and stadium name which for premium members should be for free and for rest pay by G's  8)

Fist of all, i think the same, i extended my premium account when season 9 started, new game looks (with many unfinished things hidden) and decent (or fairer) rules about youth camps gave me some hope, the game seemed to have "some" improvement, it was some feedback, things were a lot promising back then, i won't bite again.
Now, to your points:
1 - I also feel like a lab mice, we shouldn't be here doing their testing job. How many bugs did we report in the last 2 seasons? The last thing (zonal marking not working in new engine) was enough, this engine were announced a season ago, i have the feeling that they NEVER tested it before launching it, and that also makes me think that player's new performance is also because of it, our players dropped their performance because they tried to rebalance things but never actually tested them, the result is pretty clear.
2 - I play argentinian top level, every single game is a challenge, with or without new engine, with or without premium  :)
3 - Extra energy is not only useful to generate money, you will have international players eventually, and probably will play WCC, keeping them fit for those matches will be a lot tougher if you are not premium.

I really hope this game can survive but for now: Quo Vadis Domine GKO?

I think you already know the answer to that question.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2014, 11:24:51 PM by CarlosT »
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Re: My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2014, 01:40:55 PM »
be a little more positive, i think GKO  has a good future.


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Re: My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2014, 06:31:40 PM »
Old Engine calculate to zone marking: Tackling,Positioning,Acceleration
In new engine my DC with 12,15,12 get score for zone marking 59 ,other DC with 17,15,13 get score for zone marking 61 ,DL with 17,15,15 score 61 , DR with 17,15,15 score 61, MC with 15,14,14 score 57
Looks like zone marking calculation  is changed too,anybody know how ???
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Re: My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2014, 07:21:42 PM »
Old Engine calculate to zone marking: Tackling,Positioning,Acceleration
In new engine my DC with 12,15,12 get score for zone marking 59 ,other DC with 17,15,13 get score for zone marking 61 ,DL with 17,15,15 score 61 , DR with 17,15,15 score 61, MC with 15,14,14 score 57
Looks like zone marking calculation  is changed too,anybody know how ???

That teamwork thing?

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Re: My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2014, 07:45:53 PM »
Old Engine calculate to zone marking: Tackling,Positioning,Acceleration
In new engine my DC with 12,15,12 get score for zone marking 59 ,other DC with 17,15,13 get score for zone marking 61 ,DL with 17,15,15 score 61 , DR with 17,15,15 score 61, MC with 15,14,14 score 57
Looks like zone marking calculation  is changed too,anybody know how ???

I don't know exactly how, but i know why: teamwork affect all formulas directly.

I have a player training TW since season 10 started and i am recording his tactical rates on every TW level. I have no enough info to have the precise rule, but i am 99% sure that those players with TW=10 keep their old tactical rates, and tactics drops drastically when TW is lower than 8. I'll say things like this: ALL tactical reates increases at least 2 points between TW6 and TW9, those numbers are in an unexperienced player (not a single match played, no morale/exp change), if an unexperienced player receives that penalty at low rates, how can it be when tactical rates are also increased because experience? A 10% drop in all team tactics can happen easily, just because you raised your player's  TW lower than 10.

Then people ask why admin is so silent....

People used to say that those teams who plays more roaming would be stronger with this new engine. Actually, i think that those teams developed to do offside trap are the bigger winners this season.
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Re: My opinion about the new engine: EVERYTHING IS WORKING OK
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2014, 07:58:39 PM »
THX guys.
On my example TW rate can explain that diff. however some time ago admin wrote that they will calculate zone marking with extra attribute.Really I start to think that even admin dont know how this new engine work.
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