Author Topic: Fullbacks (Read 7862 times)

endlessmeans · « **on:** July 25, 2013, 06:06:13 AM »

How important would ball control and dribbling be for fullbacks? Should I try to balance out their Marking/Tack with Tech/dribbling, or focus more ont he defense? My fullback was burned pretty badly in the cup final..

Brian Clough · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2013, 03:38:36 PM »

Well, it really depends on the player's mentality and your preferences

If you want them to play some attacking role, you will want them to have good attacking/ball control skills. However to be effective attackers they must have good level of determination. Fullbacks with low (<9) determination won't be as involved in attacking plays as high determination players. However if your fullbacks have high determination, they will play a bigger part in attacking plays and will require these skills. Also you can always set the player's "run with the ball" setting to "rarely" in matches to compensate for poor dribbling skills.

However it is also possible to compensate for poor ball control skills with strong physical and mental skills. A good example of this in the real world is Branislav Ivanović, who doesn't possess exceptional ball control skills, but his speed, strength and off-the-ball abilities often allow him to create attacking opportunities for his team by running into empty spaces where a perfect touch is not needed.

For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullback_(association_football)#Full-back

Drifter · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2013, 04:37:50 PM »

I favour the all out defensive style of building center backs. For me, this is the last line of defence. With so many talented attacking players, I prefer to have my defenders concentrate on just that, defending.

As a side effect of over training defensive skills, you eventually find that defensive players develop certain attacking abilities anyway. A big part of a good defender is physical ability. Physical ability is also a big part of offensive ability. By training your center back to be the best defender he can be, you inevitably give him some attacking ability.

As I stated before, I prefer a defensive center back but to compensate, I train them with the defensive skills that also promote attacking. I do not concentrate on dribbling, shooting, technique or any of that. I just make them as strong as I can and that is usually enough to get them up the field challenging for headers.

endlessmeans · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2013, 06:38:14 PM »

Yes I focus all defense on my centerbacks too, but I was talking about fullbacks. =P Well, maybe I'll just try to get my fullbacks too 20 in both marking and tackling, and if they still got anything left train them afterwards in attacking skills..

Ruta · « **Reply #4 on:** July 25, 2013, 06:55:11 PM »

Quote from: endlessmeans on July 25, 2013, 06:38:14 PM

Yes I focus all defense on my centerbacks too, but I was talking about fullbacks. =P Well, maybe I'll just try to get my fullbacks too 20 in both marking and tackling, and if they still got anything left train them afterwards in attacking skills..

IMHO training to 20 in a few skils is worst then to 17 in some more. You can do player efficient in more tactics.

florinsteaua · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2013, 08:02:32 PM »

Quote from: Brian Clough on July 25, 2013, 03:38:36 PM

Well, it really depends on the player's mentality and your preferences

If you want them to play some attacking role, you will want them to have good attacking/ball control skills. However to be effective attackers they must have good level of determination. Fullbacks with low (<9) determination won't be as involved in attacking plays as high determination players. However if your fullbacks have high determination, they will play a bigger part in attacking plays and will require these skills. Also you can always set the player's "run with the ball" setting to "rarely" in matches to compensate for poor dribbling skills.

However it is also possible to compensate for poor ball control skills with strong physical and mental skills. A good example of this in the real world is Branislav Ivanović, who doesn't possess exceptional ball control skills, but his speed, strength and off-the-ball abilities often allow him to create attacking opportunities for his team by running into empty spaces where a perfect touch is not needed.

For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullback_(association_football)#Full-back

what about determination for midfield players and atackers players...how important is ?

endlessmeans · « **Reply #6 on:** July 26, 2013, 06:08:05 AM »

I would guess determination is important for all players in every position o.o

Ruta · « **Reply #7 on:** July 26, 2013, 06:20:53 AM »

Quote from: endlessmeans on July 26, 2013, 06:08:05 AM

I would guess determination is important for all players in every position o.o

Agree, but how much?
Let see at CD , is more important then decision or acceleration? I suppose not. What about MC? Is more important then physical skills? I suppose not ,either.
I am waiting for some more opinions cause I don't know how much important determination is. I saw last times a few opinion about it and I feel that determination is overestimated. Of course I agree that higher is better but when player has limited potential we always need to choose which skill we need more.
We should also remember that there is not possibility to train determination as specific skill but in group with aggression ( which I like for defensive players) and influence ( needed only for 2-3 players in team).

florinsteaua · « **Reply #8 on:** July 26, 2013, 07:18:29 AM »

for example in my team my goalscores and my most man of the match& asists player have both very low determination skill...maybe for the backs is more important but for midfield and ofensive players i will never train determination...they came from academy with a level of determination and i think with that level they should remain,there are many ither skills more important...my opinion

Red · « **Reply #9 on:** July 26, 2013, 07:55:57 AM »

In real competitions determinations let You fight for a win against opponent when You are losing...A team with high determination could win when is down for example 0:2 Best example is Manchester United where Alex Ferguson build a team on that kind of players.Maybe in Gok it is same way and we dont see many players with high determination cause mostly in real life only best champions have that skill on high level and at the end thats why they are chamions-never give up...

Kr10s · « **Reply #10 on:** July 26, 2013, 12:25:56 PM »

Quote from: Red Devils 21 on July 26, 2013, 07:55:57 AM

In real competitions determinations let You fight for a win against opponent when You are losing...A team with high determination could win when is down for example 0:2 Best example is Manchester United where Alex Ferguson build a team on that kind of players.Maybe in Gok it is same way and we dont see many players with high determination cause mostly in real life only best champions have that skill on high level and at the end thats why they are chamions-never give up...

That doesn't exist here.
I just won the WCC, my star player is the Argentina NT striker and his determination is 3. My squad has low determination rates mostly, only a few have high det rates.
And to add, i won a WCC game that i were losing 0-3 in group stage, a low Det player made it possible: www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=5939619

Red · « **Reply #11 on:** July 26, 2013, 01:54:59 PM »

Quote from: CarlosT on July 26, 2013, 12:25:56 PM

Quote from: Red Devils 21 on July 26, 2013, 07:55:57 AM
In real competitions determinations let You fight for a win against opponent when You are losing...A team with high determination could win when is down for example 0:2 Best example is Manchester United where Alex Ferguson build a team on that kind of players.Maybe in Gok it is same way and we dont see many players with high determination cause mostly in real life only best champions have that skill on high level and at the end thats why they are chamions-never give up...

That doesn't exist here.
I just won the WCC, my star player is the Argentina NT striker and his determination is 3. My squad has low determination rates mostly, only a few have high det rates.
And to add, i won a WCC game that i were losing 0-3 in group stage, a low Det player made it possible: www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=5939619

Maybe we should ask programmers to be sure.My point is that right now we can find players with level around 70 with great skills for their positions,in future players with level 90-100 will be with similar skills important to positions and the difference could be some mental skills like determination.Untill we are not sure about that...your game of course show something diff. but perhaps You won it cause changing on tactic,in this case if your team was better determination was not so important.Please write some more info about that game.I'm new here and don't know a lot for sure,just try to find some explanation for that skill.

Brian Clough · « **Reply #12 on:** July 26, 2013, 05:22:08 PM »

@ Red Devils 21 - this question has been asked of admin before and they have so far been unwilling to answer.

Based on my observations, I think determination works something like this:

For ATTACK: a defensive player (D and DM) will be more likely to become involved in attacking play if he has a high determination score (than one with a low score). This is less important for midfielders, even less important for attacking midfielders, and not important for forwards.

For DEFENSE: the opposite is true. Attacking players (AM and F) are less likely to track back and become involved defensively with a low determination score. This is less important for midfielders, even less important for defensive midfielders, and not important for defenders.

However, after a player has been on the pitch for 60 minutes, stamina becomes just as important as determination; even a highly determined player will need the stamina to perform these "secondary" roles.

NOTE: This is just my deduction based on observations of many matches. I could be completely wrong, but I would bet there is at least some truth to these conclusions.

Drifter · « **Reply #13 on:** July 27, 2013, 11:24:08 PM »

So basically, you are saying that a defender with very high determination will be more of an attacking players for tactics like defenders pushing up. I will need to see how this works in practice. I have a young defender with determination of 16. I was trying to sell him but maybe he might be an attacking asset for me in the future. I will need to train him a bit and put him in a few games.