Youth Camps -the facts

[Andy]

Hi All

There is a lot of confusion around the new Youth Camps and none of us can really know the best way to use them. So my idea is that we all start collating evidence about the camps in this topic.

See Admins actual explanation here: http://forum.gokickoff.com/index.php?topic=14543.0

First, the salient points are:

1 - The more money invested in a country (by all clubs) the higher the quality of players
2 - The better players will choose to go the clubs who invest the most.
3 -  Every club with a youth camp should get 2 new players per season (one around the half way and one at the end)
4  - We have no idea yet about the quality of players we will get for different levels of investment. 

Secondly what we know from the the first round of players:

1 – All the youth camps delivered players after game 9 in the season. The next round of players will come between games 15-30. (I presume this will be random to keep everyone guessing as to the timing of their investments)
2 – All the players were Age 17, CA 1 and PR 4.
3- Although the overall investment in the country was a factor, it appears more important is your amount of investments and the order you come in the ranking of investors.
4- The allocation of players has not always been strictly to order of investment (See especially Wales)
5- We have now been told by Admin that for the second round of players: countries with low investments will get materially worse players than in the first round.

http://forum.gokickoff.com/index.php?topic=15096

Continued in next post.

 

[Andy]

Finally, the facts

The number of camps in each country is a little out of date but still gives a good feel for the amount of investment in each country. The rest of the information is accurate to my knowledge.

Antigua and Barbuda. Camps 13, Max Investment 130k Best Player – 1/9/4
Argentina Camps 554, Max Investment 2.025m - Best player -1/10/4     also: 2nd in Ranking Inv £1.25m – 1/9/4
Austria. Camps 26, Max Investment ?, Best Player 1/7/4    also  15th Inv - 1/4/4
Bahrain. Camps 12, Max Investment 120k - Best Player 1/8/4      also 2nd Inv:80k - 1/4/4, 3rd Inv 65k 1/5/4
Bolivia. Camps 8. Max Investment 65k. - Best Player 1/7/4     also 2nd Inv - 1/5/4.
Brazil Camps 888, Max Investment 1.0m, Best Player – 1/10/4  also 48th Inv: 150k - 1/6/4
Cambodia. Camps  20, Max Investment ?, Best Player – 1/9/4.
Croatia. Camps 41, Max Investment 400k - Best Player - 1/8/4
Denmark. Camps 22,Max Inv? - Best Player - 1/7/4         also 3rd Inv: 70k - 1/5/4
Dijbouti Camps ? Max Investment 125k Best Player - 1/8/4

England Camps 416, Max Investment 1.15m Best Player 1/10/4       also: 7th In - 1/7/4 & Investment 30k – 1/5/4
East Timor. Camps 18, Max Investment 320k – 1/7/4
France. 124 Camps , Max Investment 920k – 1/9/4          also 4th Inv: 390k 1/6/4
Fiji Camps 16, Max Investment?, Best Players- 1/7/4
Germany Camps 412, Max Investment 2.0m, Best Player 1/10/4.also 2nd in Ranking Inv 1.25m – 1/9/4, Inv 30k – 1/5/4
Ghana. Camps 20, Max Investment ?, Best Players – 1/7/4
Iceland. Camps 13,Mx Investment 315k, Best Players - 1/7/4
Lesotho Camps 22, Max Investment 200k, Best player -1/8/4       also 30k - 1/3/4
Liechtenstein. Camps 8, Max Investment 300k, Best Player – 1/8/4
Moldova. Camps ?, Max Investment 950k Best Player – 1/9/4                  Also: 2nd in ranking Inv 0.68m – 1/8/4

Norway. Camps 19, Max Investment?, Best Player 1/7/4        also 7th Inv - 1/4/4
Paraguay. Camps 21, Max Investment 1.5m Best Players – 1/9/4                also: 90k inv – 1/3/4
Poland. Camps 60, Max Investment >225k Best Player – 1/8/4.     also: Inv 225k – 1/7/4
Republic of Ireland. Camps 5, Max Investment 135k Best Players – 1/7/4.    also 2nd in Ranking Inv 60k – no more than 1/5/4
Russia Camps 31, Max investment ?, Best Players  1/8/4
San Marino. Camps 27 Max Investment 560k, 1/7/4
Scotland. Camps 13, Max Investment ?. Best Player – 1/9/4
Spain.  Camps 534 Max Investment 1.2m Best Player – 1/10/4  also 2nd Inv 1.1m – 1/8/4, 3rd Inv 0.9m 1/9/4, 30th Inv 150k – 1/6/4 and Inv 30k – 1/5/4
Sweden. Camps 48, Max Investment 225k - Best player - 1/7/4              also Inv 30k - 1/4/4
Thailand. Camps 127, Max Invesmtent 560k Best Player - 1/7/4

US Virgin Islands. Youth Camps 15, Max Investment 1/8/4
Wales. Camps 45, Max investment 515k  Best Player – 1/7/4.   also: 2nd Inv 505k – 1/6/4, 3rd 225k 1/7/4, 4th 165k 1/7/4, 5th 130k 1/5/4
Zambia. Camps 22, Max investment 60k. Best player - 1-8-4


Post your facts here and I will periodically update

[Andy]

Hi thanks to everyone who has contributed so far.

Although I haven't been able to pull together a comprehensive list of youth camps I have got enough info on big and small ponds to provide some interesting insights that can start to inform people on the kind of country they might choose for their youth camps.

Big Ponds are countries like Germany, Spain and Brazil. In Brazil I estimate that the total investment in the first week was about 2.7m so we can expect these countries to provide some very good players but will there be enough to go around? If you want to be the big fish in this pond you need to invest 200,000 just to catch-up with the leader.

Small Ponds are countries like Antigua and Republic of Ireland. So far you can get away with being the big fish with a fairly modest investment of 10,000-20,000. However the total investment in Ireland is 25k - so how good are these players going to be compared to Brazil's 2.7m investment?

Well the truth is we don't know yet so we wait for the first players to arrive!

One thought that occurred to me is: what happens to our international  competitions? On the face of things: Brazil now has a 2.7m investment in youth compared to Poland's estimated 0.4m investment. By definition this investment has nothing to do with the managers in those countries - does that sound fair?

[Andy]

Is there any way to find out how many Camps are in each country?

Sadly, No.

But my survey above gives you a good feel.

[tucko89]

Djibouti 1/23 max investment 125k 1/8/4

[Andy]

Thanks again to those who continue to contribute. I had thought my job may be completed but with todays announcement by Admin I think its important to carry on at least up to the second round of players. So keep the info coming.....

Thanks.

[Andy]

Here are the facts for round 2 of the Youth Camps.

[]Info from round 1 shown in [] also see above for more info on round 1
Green = countries with better best player than in round 1
Red = countries with worse best player than in round 1

Afghanistan Camps 531, Max Inv 4.2m Best Player 1/10/4 [1/7/4] 2ndInv 4.2m 1/9/4 and then lots of 1/7/4 players for investments of <2m.
Antigua and Barbuda. Camps ?, Max Investment ? Best Players – 1/6/4 [1/9/4]
Argentina Camps 723 [554], Max Inv 6.5 million Best Players 1/10/4 [1/10/4]
Austria. Camps ?, Max Investment ?, Best Player 1/7/4 [1/7/4]
Bahrain. Camps?- Max Invesmtent  Best Player 1/6/4 [1/8/4]
Bermuda  Camps 15,Max Inv 1.5m Best player 1/2/4 [1/7/4]
Bolivia. Camps ?. Max Investment ? - Best Player less than LA6, [1/7/4]
Brazil Camps?, Max Investment ?, Best Player 1/11/4 [1/10/4]
Cambodia. Camps?, Max Investment ?, Best Player 1/7/4 [1/9/4]
Croatia. Camps ?, Max Investment ? - Best Player - 1/8/4 [1/8/4]
Denmark. Camps ?,Max Inv ? - Best Player - 1/6/4 [1/7/4]
Dijbouti Camps ? Max Investment ? Best Player -1/6/4  [1/8/4]

England Camps , Max Investment  Best Player 1/9/4 [1/10/4]
East Timor. Camps,  Max Investment  – Best Player 1/7/4 [1/7/4]
France. Camps , Max Investment – Best Player 1/8/4 [1/9/4]
Fiji Camps 36 [16], Max Investment 1m [?], Best Players- 1/8/4 [1/7/4]
Germany Camps , Max Investment , Best Player 1/10/4 [1/10/4]
Ghana. Camps , Max Investment ?, Best Players – 1/6/4  [1/7/4]
Iceland. Camps ,Max Investment , Best Players <LA6 [1/7/4]
Lesotho Camps , Max Investment , Best player -1/6/4 [1/8/4]
Liechtenstein. Camps , Max Investment 1.5m [0.3m] Best Player 1/3/4 – [1/8/4]
Moldova. Camps ?, Max Investment  Best Player – < LA6 [1/9/4]
Norway. Camps , Max Investment?, Best Player 1/7/4 [1/7/4]

Paraguay. Camps, Max Investment  Best Players – 1/9/4 [1/9/4]
Poland. Camps , Max Investment  Best Player – 1/7/4  [1/8/4]
Republic of Ireland. 10 [5] Camps , Max Investment 0.6m [0.1m] Best Players – <LA6 [1/7/4]
Russia Camps , Max investment ?, Best Players  1/8/4 [1/8/4]
San Marino. Camps 27 Max Investment 560k, 1/6/4 [1/7/4]
Scotland. Camps , Max Investment ?. Best Player –1/7/4 [1/8/4]
Spain.  Camps 814 [534] Max Investment 7m [1.2m] Best Player – 1/11/4 [1/10/4]    also 2nd inv 5.3m 1/10/4, 3rd Inv 3.1m 1/9/4, 5th investor 1/6/4, 136th Inv 0.2m 1/6/4
Sweden. Camps , Max Investment  Best player - 1/8/4 [1/7/4]

Tajikstan Camps 8, Max Investment 2.9m - Best Player 1/9/4      also 2nd Inv 2.5m 1/3/4
Thailand. Camps, Max Invesmtent  Best Player ?- [1/7/4]
US Virgin Islands. Youth Camps 15, Max Investment [1/6/4] 1/8/4
Wales. Camps 60 [45], Max investment 2.1m [0.5m]  Best Player – 1/7/4 [1/7/4]        also 2nd-5th inv 1.5m-0.8m all 1/7/4, 11th Inv 0.5m - 1/4/4
Zambia. Camps Max investment. Best player - 1/6/4 [1-8-4]


As usual post your facts here and I will update periodically

[HSTEHSTE]

Fiji This round: Camps:36 Max Investment 1080 kG Best Youth:1/8/4
      Last round I'm not sure

[Tackey Anderssen]

Great++

[ouou99]

MY TEAM OUARSENAL I have invested 2.5m ca1 la3 pr4 is very bad and not at all.

 


 

CAMP2 invested 1.6m ca1 la2 pr4





CAMP3 invested 2.1m ca1 la6 pr4


http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6815318





The 3rd National Youth Camp I to 6.2m investment which it very much and it's not worth it to have a player like that is very bad.

[Andy]

Fiji This round: Camps:36 Max Investment 1080 kG Best Youth:1/8/4
      Last round I'm not sure

Thanks all, and dont worry about last rounds picks. If the country is in my sample ( like Fiji) then I probably already have the data and if the country is not (like Tajikstan) then no matter I will just add them in.

Cheers

[Andy]

Ouou99 - I do feel for you.

I feel you very unlucky in Tajikstan - but there are only 8 teams investing so even though the top 2 invested alot overall thats not much of an investment in the country as a whole.

In Bermuda there is even less investment but you are top investor you'd think you would get at least a LA6.

In Afghanistan every man and his dog got a 7/4 - seriously I gave up counting - I think about 10 teams invested less than you but got a better player.

You were very lucky in round 1 and its almost like you are being penalised in round 2

I think you summed it up with your last statement: Its just "not worth it"

[anassi]

Thailand 1/158  Max inv.1,880,000g  = FC 1/8/4

[sarad987]

Just to let you know, I was 3rd in Tajikistan and got 1/3/4 also, but I asked Arazamov Plovdiv(1st) and he got DC 1/9/4?!?!? Where is the logic here? Okay I gave less money then you two, but you should get at least 1/8/4 

[sarad987]

Ouou99 - I do feel for you.
I feel you very unlucky in Tajikstan - but there are only 8 teams investing so even though the top 2 invested alot overall thats not much of an investment in the country as a whole.

That's right, not much investment, but he was not unlucky, he should get similar player, that can only be a bug in the algorithm for teams in smaller camps!

[HSTEHSTE]

Oh my, I really feel for you Ouou99, I can't even imagine getting such useless players at such a big price... And it looks like I'm so lucky to get 1/8/4 for just 1 million...

[Golex]

Antigua and Barbuda - Player 1/2/4  from 2/18 for 655K ?

Mozambique -  Player 1/4/4 from 1/13 for 515K

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[marius.82]

First draw 1/8/4 second draw 1/8/4 for aprox 6,25 mil in ARGENTINA !

[Mubashar]

First draw 1/8/4 second draw 1/8/4 for aprox 6,25 mil in ARGENTINA !

I got 1/7/4 for 725k in Belgium (Shah Faisalabad FC 10/160)

[florinsteaua]

i got 1/7/4 for 365k in Brazil place 115/1190 

[Nory Levi]

me invest 400k in Sierre Loone,4/4 

[owenocoppel]

Good to know that I already figured out some of those facts and now I know a lot more.  More like this and I'd soon be a pro.

[webinchi]

1st Round
México Camps 55, Max Investment 375k 5th Player – 1/5/4   

2th Round
México Camps 69, Max Investment 1,650k 5th Player – 2/7/4   

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