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Opleiden van toekomstige sterren in de nationale teams
« on: January 24, 2015, 09:16:02 AM »
Topic for discussion,explanations,questions etc. cooperation between National first team Manager and U21national manager.


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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2015, 02:01:21 PM »
My intention on this topic is to present and explain how we should work on National team's selection.I'm sure You guys already know what is the point of that but still some of You can find interesting points.I hope in future every new national manager will continue that work with great cooperation between U21 and First team selection.

Some important things:
- We need more Best Academy's but there is 450 best academy's in GKO world so we need also luck.How it looks now and what we can do extra You may read on this topic http://forum.gokickoff.com/index.php?topic=19252.0
- For First National team we need players with PA 10+ and PR 3+ For U21 team PA 9+ and PR3+ ,First PA 10 with good PR players we already have and actually if they have serious training in club they are also national team members  8) However best country's are busy with PA11+ on almost each position  :o
- players with PR 3 and 4 should play minimum +;- 66% of league games from first season at club and 100% after 1st or 2nd season(if a player is 15y.old and veeeery weak tings are different  ;)  .This + national games + very good coach and training grounds gave us guarantee of effective training.
When You train your players remember that:
- Once your player reach 22y. his PR will drop one point every season.For example 21y. old player with PR 3 in next season will be 22y. old with PR 2 and PR1 on 23y.
- When GK reach CA 5,9 he will get training only from games ! When player from any other position reach CA 7,1 he will get training only from games !
- Best players from academy's are young 15-16y. old  with PR 5+ ,no one will sell those players cheap (of course PA 5 or 6 are not so good)
- players with PR 2 mostly represent an garbage  >:( I was very lucky with  Stef Van Daele,he came from academy as 4/9/2 with velue 406,000 and nice skills, anyway he played all games and now is 7/9/2 should be ready for next U21 qualification.
- You may train your 3/10/6 player very fast without games but he will miss experiance and experiance is very important.Player with same CA but with number of stars more on experience have much higher level,will play more often on his optimal level and will keep his high morale longer or he will rise up his morale faster.
- Players can improve experience only when they are playing games in club or in national teams.Actually our most experienced players in national team are CA7 with PA7 where best teams are filled with CA 9-11 players well experienced.Now You can imagine the difference.
- Realistic plan for next...10 seasons is to develop our best academy's (I hope 7-10) and slowly exchange CA7 players for PA10+ players,in same time keep our position in GKO world (for national and club teams).After that time and great work I hope we can reach REAL top level




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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2015, 02:04:15 PM »
Here is current list of players which must/should be train/play in first or u21 team in all friendly/qualification games in season nr:17

GK    Quirijn Van der Zee        (9261501)           10/3  QS25 NT
DMC/MC Daan Abrahams        (9121804)          10/5   QS21 NT
DC    Niels Abrahamsen         (8980828)            10/5   QS21,23 NT
DC     Pier Daube                      9/3           QS21,23
DC      Jodocus Kuijpers             10/3          QS21,23 NT
DR  Tijn Arbeider (8948344)     9/4           QS21,23
MC Koenraad Bouwmeester     10/3          QS 21 NT?
MC  Ferdinand Aaij (9131097)  10/3         QS 25
DMC Wim Baanders                 8/3          QS21
MR Werner Van Aalst               8/6           QS 21
GK Maria Mohren (9100483)    7/3           QS 21,23
FC  Hendrik Seelen (9100180)  9/4          QS 21,23
AMR  Rodolf Victors (9121580)  9/4          QS 25
MC  Rob Van Dael (9259298)    9/3          QS  25,27

Waiting list (players are not playing at least 70% league/cup games in club)
MC  Petrus Albronda (9248529) 10/4        QS 25 NT ?
FC  Valentijn Klerken                8/4          QS 21
DMC Norbert Dahl (9249288)    9/4          QS 25
FC  Bartholomeus Boerefijn  (9269484)     10/3  QS25,
FC  Tom Meeuwis                (9269486)       9/3  QS25
FC  Augustijn Van Assen      (9269495)       9/5  QS25
DMR Gerard Heymans         (9264706)       9/4  QS25
FC  Lex Assies                    (9269485)     10/3   QS25

Players which will play in QS 19 and already play for First national team:


If first team manager do not plan to play minimum 30 minutes with one of them, he will contact U21 team manager and player will be selected for U21 team friendly game.

Here is current list of players which will be train/play in U21 national team in all friendly games, mostly we train those players for U21 qualifications in season nr:19 and 21

Legend:
QS 17,19 etc. - player will be useful for U21 qualification in season 17,19 etc.
NT - player is best future option for specific position in first national team - those players should be train always at first,however number of those players will decrease.

All candidates for training must play in their clubs about 80-100 % games.
National Potential ability list will be check every week, If we get some future star update will be done.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2015, 07:53:43 PM »
Heb er nog een paar aan toegevoegd.

Iedereen bedankt voor je stem op mij, ik zal mijn best doen als U21 coach.

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2015, 04:36:36 PM »
Gefeliciteerd en succes  8)
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Re: Opleiden van toekomstige sterren in de nationale teams
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2015, 08:31:24 PM »
Hi Paps !
Great job with training our future stars ! I did update wonderkids list with two new players http://forum.gokickoff.com/index.php?topic=19426.msg132350#msg132350
And For You Probably best line up for qualification in season 15 :
                GK  Benedictus Van Nifterick
                DC  Koenraad Antuma , Tijn Mohren , Aloysius Meeuwissen
        DR/DMR  Joost Van Can
         DL/DML Koenraad Dreyer , Minke Dreyer ,
DMC/MC/AMC Kobus Tillens , Bob Van Berle , Minke  Marquering , Judocus Daelman ,
        MR/AMR Kobus Tillens , Olaf Franke ,Braam Zaal , Robbe Smit ,
         ML/AML Felix Schoorl , Timotheus Van Daal , Gerd Schneiders
                 FC Stef Van Daele , Roeland De Jonker

As I told You before , our DR/DL will be weak but You will have at least 4 very good DC and some stars like Antuma,Tillens,Van Daele,De Jonker + solid GK,should be enough for Bot teams which in U21 are mostly much more weaker than our selection   8) Thanks to our work more users are interesting on Netherland players,and I expect more options in future.
PS.Before end of the season I will check again all players and update this list with more names I hope.
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2015, 04:01:18 PM »
Thx for all the good help mate! I just got back from Thailand, i will look into this asap, probably tomorrow.


Is this player maybe an asset we can use?

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=7401162
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2015, 09:56:55 AM »
Is this player maybe an asset we can use?
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=7401162

No, that player is too old for U21 qualification season,also will be never better than our current players in first team.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2015, 02:30:20 PM »
Where do i find Kobus Tillens and Roeland de Jonker?
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2015, 06:42:59 PM »
Where do i find Kobus Tillens and Roeland de Jonker?
Roelandhttp://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=7098308
Kobushttp://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=7338083 he is playing for first team , will be number one for U21 qualification games  ;)
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2015, 03:32:15 PM »
I miss Braam Zaal en Robbe Smit, got a link for me?

Or can i find players myself?

edit:

Is this one too old?
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=7699369
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2015, 04:23:54 PM »
I miss Braam Zaal en Robbe Smit, got a link for me?

Or can i find players myself?

edit:

Is this one too old?
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=7699369

Braam Zaal http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=7680124
Robbe Smit http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=7857778

Search engine:http://www.gokickoff.com/search_form.php  if ther is two or more players with the same name You may find just one...I guess

he is at good age but we have already 3 very good DC , it is better to train those 3 and other players
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2015, 08:29:11 PM »
Thx again mate!
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2015, 02:42:57 PM »
In de eerste 9 oefenwedstrijden is gebleken dat we 7 x gescoord hebben en NUL doelpunten tegen hebben gekregen. Verdedigend zit het dus wel goed. We gaan nu aanvallender spelen, kijken wat het verschil maakt, verder nog wat kleine aanpassingen gedaan.
Voorlopig is het belangrijk dat de juiste spelers ervaring opdoen.

Als iemand tips of opmerkingen heeft hoor ik dat graag, verder gaan we gewoon zo door.
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2015, 09:48:41 PM »
Solomon Islands    0-1    Netherlands    + 3 + 1

Oman    0-0    Netherlands    + 4 + 1

Nicaragua    0-0    Netherlands    + 5 + 1

New Caledonia    0-0    Netherlands    + 6 + 1

Netherlands    2-0    Antigua and Barbuda    +9 +3

Tonga    0-1    Netherlands    +12 +4

Armenia    0-1    Netherlands    +15 +5
 
Netherlands    2-0    Puerto Rico    +18 +7

Netherlands    0-0    United States    +19 +7

Netherlands    0-0    Switzerland    +20 +7

Italy    1-0    Netherlands    +20 +6
 
Turks and Caicos Is..    0-1    Netherlands +24 + 7

6 gewonnen,  5 x 0-0, 1 x verloren.  24 punten uit 10 wedstrijden. 8 voor, 1 tegen.
Veredigend zit het (te) goed. Aanvallend kan het beter, we kiezen voor een aanvallender concept.

We gaan verder onderzoeken...


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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2015, 12:18:53 PM »
Great work  8) Our first team manage to qualify for World Cup group stage already week ago  :) For last 3 games I will call candidates for U21 qualification games.Will send You my small report and tips via PM because our forum is visited by some 007 agent. Of course it is great for our wonderkids , 3 extra training games in first team  8)
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2015, 12:54:05 PM »
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=8277757
Gister had ik deze talentje gekocht . Hij is 10/5 dus geef hem aub de tijd in een van de nationale teams

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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2015, 04:10:49 PM »
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=8277757
Gister had ik deze talentje gekocht . Hij is 10/5 dus geef hem aub de tijd in een van de nationale teams

WoW 7millions !!!  :D Do You have connections with Sheikh Mansour ?!  :)

Your new player was already propose for U21 this season, but I think Paps did missed update on this topic...Anyway on DL we have already wonderkid Koenraad Dreyer with little beat higher Potential than Felix Severijns also one of our National team player Jesse Romijnders can play DC and DL. Of course we must prefer natural positions so Koenrad Dreyer and Felix Severijns should be train to their max potential and afterwards we can decide which of them has better skills.If I will be elected for next two seasons both of them will play all friendly games.
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2015, 09:08:47 PM »
First game to Burkina Faso won with 0-2, not the best game but enough for 3 points.

Jaja, gewonnen dus van Burkina Faso, niet eens met de beste spelers maar mooi begin.

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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2015, 09:10:49 PM »
Group D


1  Netherlands 1 1 0 0 2 0 +2 3
2  Vietnam 1 1 0 0 2 0 +2 3
3  Burundi 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1
4  Canada 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1
5  Gambia 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1
6  Saint Lucia 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1
7  Burkina Faso 1 0 0 1 0 2 -2 0
8  Russia 1 0 0 1 0 2 -2 0
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2015, 09:12:02 PM »
btw: It is funny, I will be going to Gambia in december.... :)
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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2015, 06:23:50 PM »
Tweede wedstrijd ook netjes gewonnen, nu met 5-0 van Canada.
Samen met Vietnam nu aan kop en dat ijzersterke team treffen we de volgende keer in een uitwedstrijd. Zal lastig worden.

Group D
#    Team    Ply    W    D    L    G.F    G.Ag    G.D    Pts
1    Netherland   2    2    0    0    7    0    +7    6
2    Vietnam    2    2    0    0    6    0    +6    6
3    Gambia    2    1    1    0    2    1    +1    4
4    Russia    2    1    0    1    2    2    0    3
5    Burundi    2    0    1    1    1    3    -2    1
6    Saint Lucia 2    0    1    1    1    5    -4    1
7    Canada    2    0    1    1    1    6    -5    1
8    Burkina Faso 2    0    0    2    0    3    -3    0

Programma:

 06/11/2015 (14:00 UTC) 
   Vietnam    vs    Netherlands    
13/11/2015 (14:00 UTC) 
   Netherlands    vs    Russia    
20/11/2015 (14:00 UTC) 
   Saint Lucia    vs    Netherlands    
27/11/2015 (14:00 UTC) 
   Netherlands    vs    Burundi    
04/12/2015 (14:00 UTC) 
   Gambia    vs    Netherlands    
11/12/2015 (14:00 UTC) 
   Netherlands    vs    Burkina Faso    
18/12/2015 (14:00 UTC) 
   Canada    vs    Netherlands    
25/12/2015 (14:00 UTC) 
   Netherlands    vs    Vietnam    
01/01/2016 (14:00 UTC) 
   Russia    vs    Netherlands    
08/01/2016 (14:00 UTC) 
   Netherlands    vs    Saint Lucia    
15/01/2016 (14:00 UTC) 
   Burundi    vs    Netherlands    
22/01/2016 (14:00 UTC) 
   Netherlands    vs    Gambia    
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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2015, 03:58:01 PM »
De wedstrijd tegen Vietnam ging helaas verloren met 2-0 maar thuis gaan we wraak nemen. We zijn zeker niet minder.
Tegen de Russen waren we heer en meester maar er werd helaas niet gescoord: 0-0.
Tegen Saint Lucia werd zoals verwacht makkelijk met 5-0 gewonnen.
Vandaag moesten we tegen Burundi, zo op het oog geen sterk team maar van de 5 wedstrijden hebben ze er maar 1 verloren en 4 gelijkgespeeld.
We hebben zeer aanvallend en met veel roaming gespeeld en met de hakjes over de sloot gewonnen met 1-0, ook hier weer heer en meester met 18 schoten maar gelukkig ging er deze keer wel eentje in.
Doelstelling is en blijft de volgende ronde halen.
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2015, 05:31:08 PM »
Goede bezig Paps ;)

NT competitie en WCL zijn beetje raar... Wij hebben meer geluk nodig of vice versa ;)


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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2015, 04:38:43 PM »
Uit tegen Gambia met 0-1 gewonnen, allemaal met de hakjes over de sloot maar 3 punten zijn weer binnen.
We zijn op de helft, volgende week thuis tegen Burkina Faso, moet geen probleem geven.
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