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« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2014, 10:09:46 PM »
i think that the time has come , to remove the mots once and for all , and let the best team win , on his merits , because mots can  be the reason why a better team  than others be relegated or loose  the league or the cup , stopping the mots would be a peace of mind for honest managers ,and avoid in cahoots situations

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« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2014, 01:49:03 AM »
I just want to tell the real reason WHY MOTS IS BAD !

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=8673540

If you check this game you will see that  Athletic Calypso played this game with MOTS . But WHY ? He is at 7th place , almost sure he will stay there ! Why would he play mots to a team that is fighting to play in Top level ?!
The reason is this team http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=249314 (currently 2nd in B-1 Macedonia) . And all of that because they are friends in RL ! Now is that fair  play ? Is that "oh everyone has 2 mots per season, they can use wherever and whenever they want" ?  http://www.gokickoff.com/comp_league.php?league_id=1175

And what really makes me feel like an idiot is THAT TEAM Athletic Calypso is still in this game , not banned after more than 20 transfers he has made between his/his friends teams :
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=262395
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=262394
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=231719
And I believe 3-4 teams more are banned because of his illegal transfers , but not Calypso ((the team that makes all the money and that has helped Atletico Soccer (the team ranked 2nd now in B-1) with G's ) Yes , they had transfers between them http://forum.gokickoff.com/index.php?topic=18989.0  -  You can see his team name in Money deducted list , that is because of those transfers , which I believe are erased .

NOW if you see also ★Atletico Soccer★ transfers you will notice that he also has transfers with the teams above : Madrista , FC Kralevi etc ... (other transfers erased) .

And ONE more thing ! ★Atletico Soccer★ this is his second team (he was banned few seasons ago, but started new team) :D :D


NOW WHY THE FUCK  novi pazar has to be the victim HERE ?
His team maybe is not ready for top level , maybe he lack of experience , BUT he deserves his place there !
Other Two teams ★Atletico Soccer★ and Athletic Calypso  should be OUT of the game .

Sorry about this post, it has turned to be accusation , but I just wanted to tell the whole story .
Those two teams (and all of their connected teams) were reported via mail I think more than 10 users from my country . But only money deducted - pfff !

This is the real reason WHY Mots should be removed/changed .

And now we have interesting situation , that it might be even worse than this one . I believe it will happen more in the future and that is TWO PREMIUM teams (same user) , playing in the same league , same WCL group . That user can play however he wants - thats not right !

REMOVE/MODIFY MOTS  !!!
« Last Edit: December 18, 2014, 01:55:28 AM by Igecot »
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Re: MOTS
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2014, 04:14:42 AM »
I just want to tell the real reason WHY MOTS IS BAD !

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=8673540

If you check this game you will see that  Athletic Calypso played this game with MOTS . But WHY ? He is at 7th place , almost sure he will stay there ! Why would he play mots to a team that is fighting to play in Top level ?!
The reason is this team http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=249314 (currently 2nd in B-1 Macedonia) . And all of that because they are friends in RL ! Now is that fair  play ? Is that "oh everyone has 2 mots per season, they can use wherever and whenever they want" ?  http://www.gokickoff.com/comp_league.php?league_id=1175

And what really makes me feel like an idiot is THAT TEAM Athletic Calypso is still in this game , not banned after more than 20 transfers he has made between his/his friends teams :
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=262395
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=262394
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=231719
And I believe 3-4 teams more are banned because of his illegal transfers , but not Calypso ((the team that makes all the money and that has helped Atletico Soccer (the team ranked 2nd now in B-1) with G's ) Yes , they had transfers between them http://forum.gokickoff.com/index.php?topic=18989.0  -  You can see his team name in Money deducted list , that is because of those transfers , which I believe are erased .

NOW if you see also ★Atletico Soccer★ transfers you will notice that he also has transfers with the teams above : Madrista , FC Kralevi etc ... (other transfers erased) .

And ONE more thing ! ★Atletico Soccer★ this is his second team (he was banned few seasons ago, but started new team) :D :D


NOW WHY THE FUCK  novi pazar has to be the victim HERE ?
His team maybe is not ready for top level , maybe he lack of experience , BUT he deserves his place there !
Other Two teams ★Atletico Soccer★ and Athletic Calypso  should be OUT of the game .

Sorry about this post, it has turned to be accusation , but I just wanted to tell the whole story .
Those two teams (and all of their connected teams) were reported via mail I think more than 10 users from my country . But only money deducted - pfff !

This is the real reason WHY Mots should be removed/changed .

And now we have interesting situation , that it might be even worse than this one . I believe it will happen more in the future and that is TWO PREMIUM teams (same user) , playing in the same league , same WCL group . That user can play however he wants - thats not right !

REMOVE/MODIFY MOTS  !!!
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« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2014, 02:57:07 PM »
I just want to tell the real reason WHY MOTS IS BAD !

http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=8673540

If you check this game you will see that  Athletic Calypso played this game with MOTS . But WHY ? He is at 7th place , almost sure he will stay there ! Why would he play mots to a team that is fighting to play in Top level ?!
The reason is this team http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=249314 (currently 2nd in B-1 Macedonia) . And all of that because they are friends in RL ! Now is that fair  play ? Is that "oh everyone has 2 mots per season, they can use wherever and whenever they want" ?  http://www.gokickoff.com/comp_league.php?league_id=1175

And what really makes me feel like an idiot is THAT TEAM Athletic Calypso is still in this game , not banned after more than 20 transfers he has made between his/his friends teams :
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=262395
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=262394
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=231719
And I believe 3-4 teams more are banned because of his illegal transfers , but not Calypso ((the team that makes all the money and that has helped Atletico Soccer (the team ranked 2nd now in B-1) with G's ) Yes , they had transfers between them http://forum.gokickoff.com/index.php?topic=18989.0  -  You can see his team name in Money deducted list , that is because of those transfers , which I believe are erased .

NOW if you see also ★Atletico Soccer★ transfers you will notice that he also has transfers with the teams above : Madrista , FC Kralevi etc ... (other transfers erased) .

And ONE more thing ! ★Atletico Soccer★ this is his second team (he was banned few seasons ago, but started new team) :D :D


NOW WHY THE FUCK  novi pazar has to be the victim HERE ?
His team maybe is not ready for top level , maybe he lack of experience , BUT he deserves his place there !
Other Two teams ★Atletico Soccer★ and Athletic Calypso  should be OUT of the game .

Sorry about this post, it has turned to be accusation , but I just wanted to tell the whole story .
Those two teams (and all of their connected teams) were reported via mail I think more than 10 users from my country . But only money deducted - pfff !

This is the real reason WHY Mots should be removed/changed .

And now we have interesting situation , that it might be even worse than this one . I believe it will happen more in the future and that is TWO PREMIUM teams (same user) , playing in the same league , same WCL group . That user can play however he wants - thats not right !

REMOVE/MODIFY MOTS  !!!

Meh, same thing went 3 seasons ago and nobody argued then, do not see the reason why now. Administration do not give a f**k, why to bother.

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« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2014, 05:14:01 PM »
 ;)So basically the conversation about MOTS is dead... For those who hate it... it's here to stay. Yet, I have something that I think is more important to discuss about MOTS. Let's discuss how they can be beaten. I have had 10 MOTS used against me this season. I was defeated by three of them and two others went to draws. So basically, they were effective enough to cost my the league.

Perhaps there are some good ways of defeating MOTS. I find that when I set up normally and do nothing irregular, I have the best chance of success against them. Perhaps someone has other ideas on how to deal with continuous MOT use.
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« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2014, 08:44:27 PM »
From my experience,  when power of stronger team is higher by more then 5-10% is enough to cope with MOTS on own stadium and 15-20% on  neutral stadium as well but on away stadium is need more then 25%. I am speaking of higher level of quality stadiums.
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« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2014, 04:53:26 AM »
roughly calculate is if play in natural stadium with level 600 + MOTS we need team 600*1.15 = 690 isn't it?  :(

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« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2014, 10:15:50 AM »
Yes, but team level is not the most important part, i mean, a team level 660 can be stronger than another with level 690, maybe not at individual skill, but it can be stronger at tactical level, and sometimes that is the key to win matches.
How to beat MotS? That is not easy to answer, but i think these factors are key:

First of all, try to predict if your oponent will play mots, that should give you the chance to predict if your oponent will dominate you, if you can still play under similar conditions with him or if the gap betwwen both teams is so high that the oponent doesn't need something extra. Of course, if the gap between both teams is too big, you might not need to do something special against MotS.
Now, if you think you are going to be in dissadvantage, try to find a weak spot to explode, all teams have one, and those teams who plays mots easily mostly have more weaknesses than others who try to avoid using mots, that is all about both manager's skill.
Set the right tactic.
And have some luck, i am afraid that there's not a magical formula against them, the only way to avoid concerns about MotS is to develop a strong team, so strong that your oponents would think that playing MotS against you is a waste, so they will eventually play MotS against others.
Having some codes between community members is always good, i never play MotS on league games, and my league oponents rarely plays MotS among them, that helps a lot to keep the competition clean, but sadly that is not so easy to do everywhere.... We are speaking about a game that support multi-account playing amd rarely provides real punishment to cheaters after all....  :(

It's too bad that the MotS discussion is useless, because i really think that something needs to change, i am not against the concept, but the way they works right now is broken.
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« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2014, 11:01:23 AM »
In Serbian Top Level, we have an agreement not to play MotS in league matches. I think this was very nice and fair season behind us! The order of teams is based only on their strength and manager's skills! I suggest to every nation to make that agreement. It is the best solution so far!
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« Reply #59 on: December 19, 2014, 02:35:47 PM »
 ;) Agreements are great and all, if they can be formed. I suffer from a lot of success in my league and the league does seem to have an agreement... That agreement being play mots on Hibury (I get it but its still not cool.) They don't want to see Hibury win the league again at any cost, so basically, MOTs has been designated against the club.

A lot of what has been suggested makes sense. It would seem that MOTs really doesn't matter if your team is strong enough but when dealing with league rivals, its either play at home or take a loss. I agree that MOTS right now has too much influence over the performance of teams.
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Re: MOTS
« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2014, 10:12:46 PM »
In Serbian Top Level, we have an agreement not to play MotS in league matches. I think this was very nice and fair season behind us! The order of teams is based only on their strength and manager's skills! I suggest to every nation to make that agreement. It is the best solution so far!

This brings up what I consider to be the best solution and most likely to be implemented.

If we must have mots, disallow them in league matches in the same way they cannot be used in friendlies.


Furthermore, we must prevent mangers from having multiple teams in the same league. These teams should be treated like B teams in Spain or Germany:
  • - not allowed to play in the same league
  • - not allowed to both play in the same cup competition
  • - allowed to move (a limited number of) players between A and B teams, and B-team does not provide additional loans
  • - all finances attributed to parent club; B teams get reduced sponsorship revenue
  • - remove duplicate facilities (and duplicate maintenance costs); multi-account teams only get one training ground, academy, etc
  • - allow B team to have its own stadium and staff only (including relevant maintenance and salary costs)

As for premium multi-accounts in different nations, allow only one to be entered into WCL competition in any season. Unlike the B-team example above, each team would have its own facilities and independent finances, but this would be substantially more costly since each would have to maintain separate facilities. Also, players could only be exchanged via loans making the B-team option more attractive for most managers, I think.
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« Reply #61 on: December 24, 2014, 03:01:34 PM »
This season it was for me 8 MOTS from 7 multiaccounts. Joy to play.  ???
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As long is MOTS as the game, multiaccounts it will be abused in all possible ways.

Cancel mots, clearly it spoils the game.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2014, 03:16:56 PM by KRAGRA »
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« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2014, 06:06:33 PM »
I think that MOTS are bringing this football more alive and giving chances also to all the team. Otherwise it would be boring if only the same teams would win the cup's and leagues. Have you seen such situations in some countries? I think it kills the spirit for the others.
Having only 2 chances in the season is enough to not make it possible to abuse it by one team but enough to make a difference if used wisely.
Those teams who abuse the system must take responsibility or face consequences. That doesn't mean however that the there is anything wrong with the system. I believe that is a good addition to the game.
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Re: MOTS
« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2014, 06:18:25 PM »
Mate you are absolutely right if only:

1) admins doing their job of banning multi-account cheaters regularly and thoroughly,

2) admins don`t protect multi-account cheaters which are supporters (premium users).

From my point of view is better to play season without "addition" (MotS) then to play irregular season.

And if you like MotS - don`t be mad on me for opinion i have stated, rather direct your fury against multi account cheaters.

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« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2014, 08:34:29 PM »
I think many users don't know nothing about fair play :( More it is look like they don't know nothing about competition in other leagues then their.  There was many examples that one MOTS decide who won the silverware, more many of those MOTSes made  a champion for friend of user who used it, more there were situations where group of users set MOTS after MOTS against one man. How  MOTSes can make game more alive? Yaeh, when somoene threw a grenade into group of soldiers they are alive more on the same way..... untill dead. Funny?? I don't think so.  MOTSes bring only anger and mess.
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« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2014, 11:18:29 PM »
I think many users don't know nothing about fair play :( More it is look like they don't know nothing about competition in other leagues then their.  There was many examples that one MOTS decide who won the silverware, more many of those MOTSes made  a champion for friend of user who used it, more there were situations where group of users set MOTS after MOTS against one man. How  MOTSes can make game more alive? Yaeh, when somoene threw a grenade into group of soldiers they are alive more on the same way..... untill dead. Funny?? I don't think so.  MOTSes bring only anger and mess.
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« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2014, 11:59:23 PM »
 ;) I also agree with Ruta. Fair play does not mean convenient.
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Re: MOTS
« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2014, 04:47:39 AM »
two MotSes from Admin or GKO engine is like two firearms that can be used tacitly or overtly by 2 peoples who initially fought with bare hands. One fighter who is being pressed or want to win the fight quickly suddenly shot to his opponent. The results are only two possibilities, his opponent hitted a shot and die or he managed to escape from the bullets that came to him and survived.
More of that MotS that be used by multiaccount users is like premeditated murder. Like in the real life, usually the perpetrators deserve to got the death penalty (banned)

Argentinian Top Level League (as stated before by Carlos) is good example. They agreed to play without MotS in the league matches, but unfortunately not all of leagues can imitate the good example, including in our league. I myself can only give an example to my friends in our league that every time I want to use my MotS always tell it before via PM, Chat, or write in national forum. That's all. :(

Hopefully sometimes the MotS will be eliminated (just my personal idea). :)