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National team in Jordan
« on: September 15, 2014, 04:44:16 PM »
Hi

can you allow me to coach the national team or the U21 team in jordan

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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 08:44:05 PM »
 ;) And while your at it... appoint a coach to the Bermuda National teams.
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2014, 10:42:27 PM »
Talking about leagues with few active managers...i saw that in Rwanda (where i just created my second team) there are manager in waiting list since two months..... ::) ::) ::)
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2014, 11:03:13 PM »
 :-\ I've seen the same thing in Bermuda. Managers never get placed into the league. So its kinda sad especially since we had a full league at one point but no second division was made and the guy had to wait till the start of the new season. I don't get upset anymore. I already know that nobody cares about the small countries... just like in real life.
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2014, 09:05:20 AM »
Talking about leagues with few active managers...i saw that in Rwanda (where i just created my second team) there are manager in waiting list since two months..... ::) ::) ::)

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i found 4 of those (apart from you). only one of them seems to have a Rwanda ip, and even that one, only logged in to create the team. maybe admin checks ip's before approving a team.

in Bermuda i found a user with 3 teams, none of them approved. 2 of them were created 1 second apart, so it might be an double-click, honest mistake, but he already had a team, so why ask for another? might there be another, older team, of the same guy, that would explain the situation? maybe even an active one? i haven't checked those.
another person, from Ukraine, tried to get 2 teams (found him in Rwanda, also), so that's probably why he was not approved.

i think that, if you look close enough, you might find reasons. many countries with only top level division have users on waiting list for ages. i bet almost all of them aren't from that country.


and there's another thing, more of a conspiration theory: i think admin deliberately creates teams (even if he doesn't approve them) to create the illusion of an active, growing game. or, at least, not a shrinking game.
a higher number of users makes the game more attractive; for us, for new users or for anyone interested in buying the game.

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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2014, 11:57:34 AM »
Don't know...For sure 90% of these teams are second teams of users (like me) from other country (to let play low CA players on loan from the first team)...
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2014, 09:22:50 PM »
 ;) I wouldn't mind users from other countries in Bermuda. It would mean a larger league, the chance to get national team coaching, a second division to facilitate relegation, more money and more competition. Its an all win situation for us here in Bermuda. If the Admin. wants to create new players, create them in Bermuda but let us control the national team and pay us like everyone else.
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2014, 09:56:13 PM »
and pay us like everyone else.

I am tired to read this childish complain: Hey Drifter, i have a better idea: why don't you move to another country, start in D level or lower, play without minimum attendance rates from the beginning, spend SEASONS before reaching the chance to play a WCC game (and it would be great if you wouldn't need to meet a banned player since february 2014 in the first knockout round), meet strong oponents before having the chamce to win 500k easily each season and stop complaining everytime you have a chance?

You think your situation is unfair? There are many people that won't ever play a Top level game, never will play a WCC game, needed more than a year playing before bringing 20k people to a league match, got 100k after winning a D level league, 250k after wining a C level league  and they never complained.
In argentinian top level there are many teams that never got the money you get all these seasons (never won a league or finished second, so they got less than 500k), they had to work really hard for a very long time before having the chance to bring 20k people to their matches and i never saw them claiming how perfect was their plan one day and claiming how unfair are thing for them, do you think your situation is unfair? Take a look how things are outside Bermuda and think about it again.

And i speak about Argentinian top level, but there are other countries ever harder! In our league we have a Thai manager playing, he created his team some seasons ago and he managed to make it through in some seasons, in the meantime he's got another team in thai league, but his team is still stuck in lower levels, Thailand is a lot harder (that is obvious, it's the biggest league in the game so competition is fierce even in lower levels) but i never saw him/his countrymen complaining about their incomes from league matches or prize awards.... Did i menction that any C level team from Thailand is stronger that your team? What is your excuse about it? Attendance rates? League rewards? International competition? Compared with your squad, they have all the odds against them, but they do a lot better and they don't complain, they work on their teams, greatly! Could you do the same, please?
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2014, 07:03:25 AM »
I think that admins should allow managers from other countries to apply for positions of NT and U-21 managers in (mostly) inactive countries. Problem can be selection of one amongst them without voting. Either it could be random choice or manager with highest team rating.

I mean - anyone is better then bot national team?
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2014, 07:59:55 AM »
I think that admins should allow managers from other countries to apply for positions of NT and U-21 managers in (mostly) inactive countries. Problem can be selection of one amongst them without voting. Either it could be random choice or manager with highest team rating.

I mean - anyone is better then bot national team?
Do you think about cheating? I suppose no:( There is no people or instruments to keep this idea out of cheaters. I am sure there would be a lot problems with foreign managers in countries without big enough community. In the past we had some examples like England or Russia :(
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2014, 08:22:45 AM »
i can only accept open manager positions is only possible if bot nations were shut off of the world cup.

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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2014, 08:35:12 AM »
I think that admins should allow managers from other countries to apply for positions of NT and U-21 managers in (mostly) inactive countries. Problem can be selection of one amongst them without voting. Either it could be random choice or manager with highest team rating.

I mean - anyone is better then bot national team?
Do you think about cheating? I suppose no:( There is no people or instruments to keep this idea out of cheaters. I am sure there would be a lot problems with foreign managers in countries without big enough community. In the past we had some examples like England or Russia :(

My friend, of course i DO think. ;) In Serbia, last years "champion" is cheater with multi-accounts and with (minimum) 2 teams in top division, therefore for me is impossible not to account possible cheating problem in my thoughts.

But if someone has your point of view = "don`t do that because of high probability of cheating", then what? You can apply your view to every single part and aspect of this game. Why we bother to play at all then?

Even in active countries you have NT candidates which create dozens of teams in order to won election. How to solve that?

Bottom line: cheating is something we must leave with if we want to play this game (and this online game is not isolated case). Conclusion, we shouldn`t reject positive ideas because of risk of possible cheating. Again, cheating is already here, amongst us. Think about that.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2014, 08:38:36 AM by JohnTerry »
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2014, 09:01:04 AM »
It is sad to hear that :(

But we cannot stay and watch only !If he is cheater and you know about that and have prove you have to report him.

But in small countries there won't be any person who knows and could report. I speak about this problem.



BTW. As I remember Naissus is the last champion ( the history isn't available at the moment), can tell me another teams from Rasha??
many premium teams owned by one people in one league is a big problem, I don't why it is possible :( Another example : YoYo FC and YoYooLand in Thailand Top :(
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2014, 09:31:24 AM »
Again, do you think that i didn`t tried? Problem is that one member of that cheater ring has bought premiums for all significant teams involved:

Everything started when this cheater >>> Budcnost-ns http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=217981 linked with another cheater Naissus >>> http://www.gokickoff.com/manager_info.php?user_id=11506 and bought premium accounts for 2 teams which belong to 2nd cheater >>> Naissus http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=33011 and Radnickii Nis 1923 http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=127484.

Other multiaccounts that we found so far, linked with above 2 cheaters are:

Naissus B   http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=204356   connected with http://www.gokickoff.com/manager_info.php?user_id=11506
Diablo   http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=275728   connected with http://www.gokickoff.com/manager_info.php?user_id=11506
Vrbas   http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=285652   connected with http://www.gokickoff.com/manager_info.php?user_id=118555 
Celarevo   http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=263819   connected with http://www.gokickoff.com/manager_info.php?user_id=118555

This is what we found so far with following symptoms detected:

1)   two users have minimum 7 teams
2)   transfers between this teams (6/7 are in Serbia)
3)   players loaned between this teams
4)   multiple loggins from same Ips or playing from hidden (faked) IP  >>> Have screenshots as a proof
5)   multiple messages in Serbian GKO chat where same user write first from one, then from 2nd account etc. >>> have screenshots and many whitnesses as a proofs

As we already know from before and based on admin replies to such serious and undeniable accusations: if you pay - you may cheat as much as you like.

Now back to topic.

It is obvious that you didn`t understand my idea. Point is that if we agree that inactive countries should have NT and U-21 managers and that it is better solution instead to be bot National Teams then we should find a solution.
Solution could be that anyone can apply no matter from which country and only "problem" is how to choose one without voting (because there is no anyone to vote, or anyone interested at least).
For that case, i mentioned 2 solutions: random candidate from the list or candidate with highest team rating.
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2014, 09:48:07 AM »
One user can have many premium teams in this games. Loan players  is allowed . Forbidden is only do transfers between clubs maneged by one users and this should be strict control.
I hate this but that are facts :( So by rules it is not cheating. In this game even premium gives too much advantages but there have to be a border.

GKO looks vanish by developers, there is only accountant who watch if only incomes from premium and tokens generate enough profits. When it won't be enough this game reach his end :P


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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2014, 09:51:41 AM »
One user can have many premium teams in this game but NOT in the same country or even worse - in the same league! It is automatically enoguh for ban and loans and transfers of players are only addition to the ban from the game.
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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2014, 10:04:06 AM »
Sadly you are wrong :( Read section Shop ->Premium features -> point 12
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A premium user may play multiple accounts but every accounts that he plays have to be premium accounts. However, trading players between these accounts is not allowed. Using multiple accounts for match-fixing (dishonest activity to make sure that one team wins a particular match) is also unacceptable.
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A premium users can loan out players to other clubs (premium users) and take players on loan form other clubs (premium users). Loan deals on the same LAN is permitted.(max 2 player per season)
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2014, 10:08:11 AM »
So, you are telling me that one user can have 2,3,5,10 premium teams in same country and same division!?!
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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2014, 10:12:02 AM »
So, you are telling me that one user can have 2,3,5,10 premium teams in same country and same division!?!
no, not me , I just quoted. The owners of this game tell us what we can do or not. I have same feelings like you, GKO is a sewer where all worms and insects live like in the paradise :(
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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2014, 10:14:46 AM »
I agree there...they have provided "rules" and "laws" which are heaven for cheaters and where only money in their pockets counts.
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Re: National team in Jordan
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2014, 02:04:14 PM »
I agree with JT - any manager should be allowed to declare candidacy for NT manager in any country. Only managers WITH a team in a league in that nation can vote for their NT managers. Any nation with some minimum no. of total votes cast (say 15) can elect their manager, else it is awarded to the candidate with the highest club ranking. This way most nations will at least have a human manager. Of course, smaller nations will still have a smaller pool of players and will be unlikely to go far internationally, but at least every nation will have the chance to put forth their best XI and select tactics that suit them.

 The voting issue can be solved by allowing only one vote per IP address. It is one thing to allow a manager to buy multiple teams, but votes should not be for sale.
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