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NEW ME CONCLUSION!
« on: December 24, 2013, 10:25:17 PM »
After cca 2h of analyzing new ME I have some conclusion and have decide to share with all others, things are pretty simple here:

1. In your report you see that every position have influence on specific tactic like UPM, UMM ...etc so it goes like this:
   GREEN = SKILL OF PLAYER *1
   ORANGE = SKILL OF PLAYER * 0.8
   RED=SKILL OF PLAYER * 0.5
If you calculate now that value you get number that is on bottom of column like 421.8 so this is major change no more % now it is + in equation
 calculate all GREEN and do *1 = A
calculate all ORANGE and do *0.8 = B
calculate all RED and do *0.5 = C
NOW A+B+C = total strength your team is playing that tactic, simple :)
By mine opinion this is great ME solution as now you have chance to perform diferent tactics on field like :
You play against stronger opponent and do not want to lose then you will put on field 5 defenders and 2 DM-c players that have GREEN in UMM and UZM and now their 7 values will give HUGE advantage in defensive way but your offense will be disaster, but you have chance for that 0-0 you are aiming.
Or let's say that you know that opponent like to play PRESS MORE and now you will USE more FC players as they are GREEN in that field and more mids as they are orange in OPM and use less defenders and will be able to neutralize his strong UPM tactic.
This are just some advantages that I can see in this ME and OFC every change of strategy will result with better performance in one department but will weak others, so like in real football team which is more complete in all fields and can adopt to various tactics will prosper in longer term.
This changes will do couple of things:
- teams will need to have more players at their disposal because if you have 11 strong players everyone will know how to adapt against you as you have no possibility to play various tactics, so teams will now need to have 16 or even more top players to be dominant
- this will change option to put low number of players in one segment and because of % to play good at that so tactic is becoming more important than ever
- sadly a lot of Managers will not adapt to such HUGE change and will abandon this manager (people like to play strategy games and manager is strategy but do not like too much complication)
AND LAST THING THEY HAVE CHANGED ME BUT POST MATCH SUMMARY IS NOT FOLOWING IT AND WILL NEED TO BE UPDATED (I believe this is mistake of programmer (s) ).
Final conclusion:
This is going to be fantastic change and awesome ME but update of post match summary and game rule clarification IS MUST TO HAVE ASAP.
p.s
everything I wrote here is not official this is just my notice of current situation and maybe I am wrong it is on everyone to check for themselve!

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Re: NEW ME CONCLUSION!
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2013, 10:44:26 PM »
People without premium should calculate ?  :D  :)
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Re: NEW ME CONCLUSION!
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2013, 10:51:01 PM »
I had a similar suggestion in mind!

I understand that the old engine had a desperate need to increase MR/MC/ML value in team tactics, and it seems that new engine tries to change drastically the way that each tactics is calculated:

* Until season 9, all team tactics were calculated after consider an average between all players involved in a specific area: that used to make things harder for MR/MC/ML because they were impossible to train, you can't ask an MC to have same UZM level than an DC and same OZM than an AMC in the same time, they became into a burden in team tactics and people (at least me) used them only when they used to have a tactical difference in favor but they needed something extra to stop a player (for instance, if opponent's right side was too strong, i used an ML, to help DL/DML in defensive duties) but when 2 teams balanced in tactical levels used to met, it was impossible to use them.

* In new engine, all team tactics seems calculated after considerin a sum between all players involved in a specific area: this change seems to have a completely opposite effect, the more you place players in the midfielder area (that still is used in both UZM/OZM tactics), the more your team tactics improves, this have some pros and many cons. The good thing about it is that "the more you use players filling the defensive area, your defense is stronger" wich actually have some sense, but there is a clear flaw in the system if you can say that placing a FC as DC and your team defense increases.

So, i came up with a similar suggestion than xerexy's!

Let's say that a defender needs to have 51 in sum between acceleration, positioning and tackling to reach 65 in his UZM stat (it's only an assumption, there are many other factors involved, such as experience and morale), reaching the same level for a MC is close to impossible without sacrificing some OZM (acceleration is useful in both, but passing and off the ball aren't, and MC needs to be focused in pressing, and roaming too). But what if reaching 65 in UZM would be easier to him, and same for OZM?
I imagined some combinations, of course they should be balanced/tested but i think they aren't that wrong:



With this change, all playing positions would be useful in similar levels and team tactics should be more efficient than now keeping the old "average" idea, reaching 33 in OZM skills for a DMC is a lot easier than reaching 33 in UZM for an AMC for instance, same with OZM in DCs compared with UZM in FCs, we wouls still have the "the more players ou add behind, the more effective your defense is" with it!
« Last Edit: December 24, 2013, 11:17:22 PM by CarlosT »
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Re: NEW ME CONCLUSION!
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2013, 10:52:27 PM »
- sadly a lot of Managers will not adapt to such HUGE change and will abandon this manager (people like to play strategy games and manager is strategy but do not like too much complication)
AND LAST THING THEY HAVE CHANGED ME BUT POST MATCH SUMMARY IS NOT FOLOWING IT AND WILL NEED TO BE UPDATED (I believe this is mistake of programmer (s) ).
Final conclusion:
This is going to be fantastic change and awesome ME but update of post match summary and game rule clarification IS MUST TO HAVE ASAP.

I mentioned before how positions contributed in new engine. Same as your. But quoted words are prophetic. People will quit.
 
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Re: NEW ME CONCLUSION!
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2013, 10:59:05 PM »
we have new engine, we NEED 3 MONTH PREMIUM FOR EVERYONE  FOR FREE or old engine back

Something for free? Old engine back in 3, 2, 1....  :P
« Last Edit: December 24, 2013, 11:01:30 PM by CarlosT »
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Re: NEW ME CONCLUSION!
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2013, 11:00:48 PM »
Carlos YES but If you put DC on position of ATTACKER only 50% of his UZM will be used and ofc HE WILL BE TOTALLY USELESS IN ATTACK!

So there are many number of improving ME huge number of variations but after match report AND SPECIALLY RULES must be updated ASAP!

But generally this is going to be interesting season at least of fantastic or circus not normal at all!

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Re: NEW ME CONCLUSION!
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2013, 11:01:03 PM »
we have new engine, we NEED 3 MONTH PREMIUM FOR EVERYONE  FOR FREE or old engine back

Something for free? New engine back in 3, 2, 1....  :P
I don't believe, either. But when old engine was introduced all users got 3m premium for free


PS. I dont understand why here is so many topics about changes? Should be only one
« Last Edit: December 24, 2013, 11:02:37 PM by Ruta »
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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2013, 11:08:54 PM »
we have new engine, we NEED 3 MONTH PREMIUM FOR EVERYONE  FOR FREE or old engine back

Something for free? New engine back in 3, 2, 1....  :P
I don't believe, either. But when old engine was introduced all users got 3m premium for free

Nope, match engine 2.0 were added in season 3, premium features came on season 5 for sure, checked after watching my player loan record. Player loan came from the first day that premium features were added. I remember that "free premium" users weren't able to have loan deals, while paid premium users (and those who received a premium membership as payment for their translation duties) had the chance to close loan deals since the first day.

Carlos YES but If you put DC on position of ATTACKER only 50% of his UZM will be used and ofc HE WILL BE TOTALLY USELESS IN ATTACK!

My point actually is that if you place a FC as DC, he is not to attack actually, you are only trying to fill spaces and increase your defensive level, the "filling space" stuff have sense and oponent should have less efficient scoring chances, but a defense can't be more effective on it's zone marking stat, same happens placing a DC as FC, you have more people ahead (your OZM increases) but you can't be more efficient as a team with him, as a desperate move it's okay, not as a team standart at all.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2013, 11:16:36 PM by CarlosT »
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2013, 11:11:01 PM »
we have new engine, we NEED 3 MONTH PREMIUM FOR EVERYONE  FOR FREE or old engine back

Something for free? New engine back in 3, 2, 1....  :P
I don't believe, either. But when old engine was introduced all users got 3m premium for free

Nope, match engine 2.0 were added in season 3, premium features came on season 5 for sure, checked after watching my player loan record.
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« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2013, 12:13:13 AM »
How about this:
GREEN = SKILL OF PLAYER *1
ORANGE = SKILL OF PLAYER * 0.8
RED=SKILL OF PLAYER * 0.5

but we cumulate just avverage score of each zone: for example green 66+orange 50+red 30 ,in this case if we play FC on DC position we get weaker score on green zone and negative impact to our defense   ;)
If we want to play great zone marking we need to use great zone marking players :) I'm afraid that this is the point of a problem with new engine,they simply forgot to calculate avvarage score for each zone before cumulate them for tactic impact...  :-[

sample: for formation dc+dc+dl+dr in green zone with avv. 66 for zm gives score 4x66x1:4 =A
mc+mc+ml+mr in orange zone with avv. 50 for zm gives 4x50x0.8:4=B
fc+fc from red zone with avv. 30 for zm gives 2x30x0.5:2=C
4xA+4xB+2xC :10=tactic score
and same for other calculations in new engine
ps.still arrows in zone marking are nok cause of other reason.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2013, 01:37:47 AM by Luca »
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