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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2013, 11:07:27 AM »
I am not the one that's whining for a bad result.

I am happy for my strategies.

You are joking right ?

Nope.

I am absolutely serious.

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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2013, 11:54:50 AM »
I am not the one that's whining for a bad result.

I am happy for my strategies.

You are joking right ?

Nope.

I am absolutely serious.

You are pleased with your strategy because academy gave you excelent results, now...

There's an argentinian team with The Best academy since season 8, after pulling 14 youth, his best player were a 4/7/4. If you would be on his foot, would you be so pleased?
My point here is actually simple: sometimes strategies are irrelevant, because too many things are uncertain and luck (or real money) are bigger factors in a club's success than a proper strategy.

2 seasons ago, a higher wage algorythm and wage wars were introduced, i asked admin if they were willing to increase income from facilities, he said "yes", i spent 3M in facilities and then he changed his mind. My strategy had only one mistake: i believed in admin's words, as a result, i had to fire a 120 credit coach, that were the only way my finances remained under control.
I don't consider myself a bad manager, but i think that there's only one thing here that determinates a team's success, they are the way you develop your players and the tactic you pick in matches. Management strategy is an illusion here, luck and real money determinates a strategy success.
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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2013, 12:08:03 PM »

There's an argentinian team with The Best academy since season 8, after pulling 14 youth, his best player were a 4/7/4. If you would be on his foot, would you be so pleased?
As I said before limits of youth is about LA 10. For two seasons I got max CA 8 from best aca , but Pr and age was pretty good. Here is real difference about level of academy. The best academies gives better of youth in total . I didn't get worst then Ca2-La 6- PR 3 and all no older then 18. This season I spent 1,5 mln and get LA 9 and 10.

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2 seasons ago, a higher wage algorythm and wage wars were introduced, i asked admin if they were willing to increase income from facilities, he said "yes", i spent 3M in facilities and then he changed his mind. My strategy had only one mistake: i believed in admin's words, as a result, i had to fire a 120 credit coach, that were the only way my finances remained under control.
You didn't wrong. Facilities are good in general but agree that should give more.
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I don't consider myself a bad manager, but i think that there's only one thing here that determinates a team's success, they are the way you develop your players and the tactic you pick in matches. Management strategy is an illusion here, luck and real money determinates a strategy success.
Yeah, pay for win is bad thing here :( Luck is random for everyone :) But I think that are some possibilities to develop faster then others. I think I can call it general strategy.
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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2013, 12:33:25 PM »
I am not the one that's whining for a bad result.

I am happy for my strategies.

You are joking right ?

Nope.

I am absolutely serious.

Then GL in your effort.

btw I would like to suggest one more game that I belive would perfectly suite your style it is caled SimCity try I belive you'll like it !

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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2013, 01:46:27 PM »
I didn't terminate camp just to prove myself that everything in youth camp is full of bugs. And I was right. When I invested 450k in Tajikistan(3rd place) I got 1/3/4 player. And now I continued investing 5k per week and I am still at 3rd place and what did I got? MC 1/6/4! I think that this is great example to all of you who told that some of us made a bad choice of investing (country, ranking, amount of money)

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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2013, 01:54:52 PM »
I didn't terminate camp just to prove myself that everything in youth camp is full of bugs. And I was right. When I invested 450k in Tajikistan(3rd place) I got 1/3/4 player. And now I continued investing 5k per week and I am still at 3rd place and what did I got? MC 1/6/4! I think that this is great example to all of you who told that some of us made a bad choice of investing (country, ranking, amount of money)

Or it would prove us all that luck determinates many things hehehe.

I kept investing 5k each week in Paraguay, and i received a 1/3/4 player (again). i didn't expect more, and of course, i fired him again inmediately.
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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2013, 02:07:15 PM »
If you are right Carlos, don't you think that Admin should completely change algorithm or just remove camp? People are giving a lot of money for a lottery... :) And also taking that same money from transfer market, so it is affecting players who terminated camp...

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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2013, 02:15:08 PM »
You are pleased with your strategy because academy gave you excelent results, now...

There's an argentinian team with The Best academy since season 8, after pulling 14 youth, his best player were a 4/7/4. If you would be on his foot, would you be so pleased?
My point here is actually simple: sometimes strategies are irrelevant, because too many things are uncertain and luck (or real money) are bigger factors in a club's success than a proper strategy.

I am pleased with my strategy because I have fun. This is a game and I do it for the fun.

Success is for real life not for web gaming.

2 seasons ago, a higher wage algorythm and wage wars were introduced, i asked admin if they were willing to increase income from facilities, he said "yes", i spent 3M in facilities and then he changed his mind. My strategy had only one mistake: i believed in admin's words, as a result, i had to fire a 120 credit coach, that were the only way my finances remained under control.
I don't consider myself a bad manager, but i think that there's only one thing here that determinates a team's success, they are the way you develop your players and the tactic you pick in matches. Management strategy is an illusion here, luck and real money determinates a strategy success.

The pay-for-win questione reminds me about "Speedball 2" where there was a feat called "bribe referee". A bribed referee was using assigning points to the team who bribed him even before the kick off. Can you imagine the feat bribe referee on GKO? for every 3 tokens you spend you have 1 goal assigned to your target man. For just 12 tokens you could win 4-0 since the match start.

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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2013, 02:15:19 PM »
Nice lottery for investment 2 mil you get La4 and La5 players, this season I added 5 000 only every week so diference is perhaps 50 000 larger summ 50 000 on 2 milion = 2.5% increse and viola I got LA7 players wow some big barier is in those 2.5 % luck do not have nothing with it gamemaster is trying to repair damage but again wrong way  8)

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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2013, 02:17:12 PM »
If you are right Carlos, don't you think that Admin should completely change algorithm or just remove camp?

That's the only reason i didn't terminate my camp, 5k each week is "nothing", total invested (more than 150k) is an amount to consider, this crazy lottery must end someday, and i don't want to regret after cancelling my previous investment. As i said before, 5k each week is nothing...
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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2013, 02:21:24 PM »
IMHO a limit is necessary for the camps.

IMHO the camps should be a long term strategy and a maximum weekly amount should be set.

It should be a lottery where the luck should be adjusted a bit with the investment.

I dislike people that invest nothing for a long time and then put 3 millions on the "game" just the day before the lottery.

I dislike people that invest almost all of the team resources in that lottery. It's suicidal.

Where in the world a team spend more than half of all of his year income for the youth teams?

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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2013, 02:46:25 PM »
IMHO a limit is necessary for the camps.

IMHO the camps should be a long term strategy and a maximum weekly amount should be set.

It should be a lottery where the luck should be adjusted a bit with the investment.

I dislike people that invest nothing for a long time and then put 3 millions on the "game" just the day before the lottery.

I dislike people that invest almost all of the team resources in that lottery. It's suicidal.

Where in the world a team spend more than half of all of his year income for the youth teams?

I agree wit all except last one that is apsurd YES you need to spend on your youth sistem MORE THAN half income if you want to have best academy in 5 seasons and sell ALL you have and be on MARKET all the time YES YOU MUST otherwise you will not achive that, all players who started this game after season 3or4 do not have other way BEST academy is more than 15 mil there is no point to play game 15 seasons to achive that 5 seasons are more than enough ! That is more than 2y real time in game!

Try to live in real world for a minute plz!

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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2013, 03:33:05 PM »
IMHO a limit is necessary for the camps.

IMHO the camps should be a long term strategy and a maximum weekly amount should be set.

It should be a lottery where the luck should be adjusted a bit with the investment.

I dislike people that invest nothing for a long time and then put 3 millions on the "game" just the day before the lottery.

I dislike people that invest almost all of the team resources in that lottery. It's suicidal.

Where in the world a team spend more than half of all of his year income for the youth teams?

I agree wit all except last one that is apsurd YES you need to spend on your youth sistem MORE THAN half income if you want to have best academy in 5 seasons and sell ALL you have and be on MARKET all the time YES YOU MUST otherwise you will not achive that, all players who started this game after season 3or4 do not have other way BEST academy is more than 15 mil there is no point to play game 15 seasons to achive that 5 seasons are more than enough ! That is more than 2y real time in game!

Try to live in real world for a minute plz!

A team isn't made only by youth.

A team needs a stadium large enough for the fan with an adequate quality, a staff with wages, , training structures, a fiseoterapic team, scouts and various facilities for the fan for earning money.

I made my "the best" accademy with the money I earned by selling players. I sold the most of the ones I promoted but right now my team is made with a lot of players from my accademy.

Too much people overvalue the importance of the youth (and I am not one who underrated it right now since I spent 16,5 milions in accademy and that's spending 30.000 in maintenance).

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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2013, 03:45:01 PM »
There is only few team which made Best Academy in diffrent way then sacrifice their youth. I sacrificed LA 10 FC http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=5193722 when he was like todays LA 12! Now I can buy  but the begining was not easy.
 I was against how academy begins: first who got best academy got all stars and now I am against when somobody think that when he put more then others will get a special player.

When academy starts I was pushed to sacrifice my team. Now  we have choice if we want to invest in Youth Camps. There wasn't  any available stars on the market 3-4 seasons ago, now they are . No one have to invest money in academy or youth Camps. Now is 3rd way , we can buy suitable players. From this side  it is better then was.
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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2013, 04:17:13 PM »
I deleted my last camp (in Belgium) where I had cumulative investment 1,025,000G. I got a 1/5/4 player from that Camp who has only bid bid (currently in transfer list) of 100G  ::)

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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2013, 07:56:05 PM »
I deleted my last camp (in Belgium) where I had cumulative investment 1,025,000G. I got a 1/5/4 player from that Camp who has only bid bid (currently in transfer list) of 100G  ::)
In this game you can sell players but we can not sell the facilities or coaches. Why not? For example, this manager was deleted Youth camp in Belgium - worth 1M. Why not exist the possibility that someone else buys this camp for example, 25% of the value (or some other value). Anyone who has already built camp in Belgium believe that happy blend of 2 camps in a one larger camp and everyone would be happy.
Maybe the option property is sold (or coach) better option than the dismissal coach or demolition youth cams!?
Also, why dismiss coaches say worth 100.000G, maybe someone paid for it 25% of its value prices.
Maybe the proposal is unacceptable, but I think that some compromise should be made......
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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
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Re: There are only 5 youth Camp in the world.
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