Author Topic: Sugestion: Chance to receive direct red card for hard tackling users  (Read 5097 times)

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We have been discussing so many things about competition fairness recently, but this topic never were discussed in our forum, so i would like to give my opinion and it would be great to read other user's opinion as well.

I have seen many users playing hard tackling always, their reasons are a lot:

* I don't want to give advantage
* I want to get the maximum possible from my players
* Just because
* It's not a big deal

I am nobody to judge the way they play, every user is free to play as they wants! But if we do a deep analysis about how the game works....

At this pace, i honestly am not even sure if playing easy tackling both sides is injury safe (injuries increased greatly since season 7) but in long term i think they are giving an unfair advantage to token users. The reason? Simple: playing hard tackling increases both sides's chances to receive injuries, but there's not a real penalty for that behavior. The main reason is because a player must receive 2 yellow cards to be sent off, what would happen if a violent player can be sent off after 10 minutes, without a previous warning, as it happens in real life?

With current enviroment token users rarely receive a real punsinhment to play a rough game, they have a bigger chance to lose a player because an injury than a player receiving a red card  and they would be playing with 11 players anyway, (unless they would use their 3 substitutions previously), the unfair thing is that injured players can be healed through token, so their chances to win a long competition are far bigger than a non-token user.

In other words, you can buy ball possesion in a match and damage a rival team, just paying!

I want to be clear, i understand that each user is free to play as they want, if somebody wants to use hard tackling every single match, he is free to do it! But once you start to pay to heal your players through token, you are getting an (unfair) advantage, that's what i think.... what do you guys think about it?
« Last Edit: April 12, 2013, 10:47:32 PM by CarlosT »
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Re: Sugestion: Chance to receive direct red card for hard tackling users
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2013, 10:34:23 PM »
Very good point, Carlos. Hard tackling should have his price. Direct red cards seems to be a very good solution.
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Re: Sugestion: Chance to receive direct red card for hard tackling users
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2013, 10:35:23 PM »
+1

red cards are not necessary, red cars are a part of the game, of the football game, they must be added to gko. and are necessaries too as injuries happen, red cards too, even with more than a match banned for the afected player.

and about tokens, ... I won't speak more by the moment, my frustration is absolutely with that issue of buy things for improve teams with external money or take advantages.

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Re: Sugestion: Chance to receive direct red card for hard tackling users
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2013, 10:45:07 PM »
Carlos I'm glad you brought that up this speech. I debated for a long afternoon on the forum with the national coach of the national francesco! After the game indonesia-Italy where I'm a bit clashed with Indonesian colleagues on this hard fact of contrasts and their utility to the game itself ... the conclusion was that there is the possibility of harsh contrasts, such as the mots and as long as there are all these rules will use them to get to the final victory ... unfortunately so I do not think that small adjustments can change the situation!

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Re: Sugestion: Chance to receive direct red card for hard tackling users
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2013, 10:50:31 PM »
and ... I hope you realize that this thing goes against the gain of the event .... not just programmers, so you probably unchangeable, I think we must accept it and that's it, so at least that's the idea of so many ... (not mine!)

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Re: Sugestion: Chance to receive direct red card for hard tackling users
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2013, 12:17:31 AM »
Definitely! Straight red cards should be a probable outcome when using hard tackling with high aggression players. IMO hard tackling should only be used when a team has a squad of low aggression players to compensate for their lack of aggression.

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Re: Sugestion: Chance to receive direct red card for hard tackling users
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2013, 09:39:01 AM »
and ... I hope you realize that this thing goes against the gain of the event .... not just programmers, so you probably unchangeable, I think we must accept it and that's it, so at least that's the idea of so many ... (not mine!)

I could suggest to remove the option to exchange token into credits as well, but that seems to be even more unlikely  :P
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Re: Sugestion: Chance to receive direct red card for hard tackling users
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2013, 11:00:36 AM »
We have been discussing so many things about competition fairness recently, but this topic never were discussed in our forum, so i would like to give my opinion and it would be great to read other user's opinion as well.

I have seen many users playing hard tackling always, their reasons are a lot:

* I don't want to give advantage
* I want to get the maximum possible from my players
* Just because
* It's not a big deal

I am nobody to judge the way they play, every user is free to play as they wants! But if we do a deep analysis about how the game works....

At this pace, i honestly am not even sure if playing easy tackling both sides is injury safe (injuries increased greatly since season 7) but in long term i think they are giving an unfair advantage to token users. The reason? Simple: playing hard tackling increases both sides's chances to receive injuries, but there's not a real penalty for that behavior. The main reason is because a player must receive 2 yellow cards to be sent off, what would happen if a violent player can be sent off after 10 minutes, without a previous warning, as it happens in real life?

With current enviroment token users rarely receive a real punsinhment to play a rough game, they have a bigger chance to lose a player because an injury than a player receiving a red card  and they would be playing with 11 players anyway, (unless they would use their 3 substitutions previously), the unfair thing is that injured players can be healed through token, so their chances to win a long competition are far bigger than a non-token user.

In other words, you can buy ball possesion in a match and damage a rival team, just paying!

I want to be clear, i understand that each user is free to play as they want, if somebody wants to use hard tackling every single match, he is free to do it! But once you start to pay to heal your players through token, you are getting an (unfair) advantage, that's what i think.... what do you guys think about it?
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I just got a 37 day injury on a player that played for 2 minutes and we were both on easy tackling.. what is this bullshit?

Look at the injury rate, its too big imo!

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I just got a 37 day injury on a player that played for 2 minutes and we were both on easy tackling.. what is this bullshit?

Look at the injury rate, its too big imo!

As i said before, this season injuries happens even playing easy tackling. I also had an injured player in a friendly match, a week ago (17 days, i had to spend 20 credits to heal him).

All of us knows that they are trying to push people to buy token, but come on, current injury rate is too high!
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Re: Sugestion: Chance to receive direct red card for hard tackling users
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2013, 03:33:22 PM »
People are always talking about how token users have this mythical unfair advantage over other players.  Here's my point.  Unless you have been prohibited from buying tokens, you are free to buy them and use them as well.  People need to realize that unfair means one is given an advantage that another can't have.  All are free to spend money on tokens and use them as they wish.  Let's stop calling premium users unfair.  It is not a special club where some can't join.  Those who choose not to be premium have that choice but it doesn't make it unfair.

As far as injuries go, they will come.  Build a team that can withstand injuries instead of having teams where there is one player per position.  Might be time to start keeping backups on the bench like in real life.
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Re: Sugestion: Chance to receive direct red card for hard tackling users
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2013, 03:57:48 PM »
Drifter, freedom is not even close to mean fair....

You can say as much as you want, but if you suffer 5 key injuries through the season and you make them dissapear (while others can't), deep inside of you, you will know that any competition you get might not be achieved without those magical medicines.

BTW, look at my squad before suggesting what should i do......

That said, it's useless to suggest a bench, red cards wathever, our toughts means a s**t to them.... just look how interested admin and his dev staff (if there's one) are to make this game better, bugs and cheaters everywhere, db errors many times a week, and some stupid kids thinks they are superior because they can choose wich youth player they are going to pull this week, wich team's players they are going to hurt tomorrow and keep feeding this stupid circle.
They ignore a simple thing: they are going to buy a very short time glory, but when their clubs might be close to be competitive, this game will be gone forever......

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My premium suscription ends september 26th, and i have only one thing for sure: if things doesn't change drastically, i am not willing to renew it.  And that's not because i don't like this game anymore or because i can't afford it, but i have one thing quite clear. I would spend money in something that won't last an extra year, not without a REAL change in GKO staff's actions.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2013, 04:05:06 PM by CarlosT »
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Re: Sugestion: Chance to receive direct red card for hard tackling users
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2013, 04:21:36 PM »


My premium suscription ends september 26th, and i have only one thing for sure: if things doesn't change drastically, i am not willing to renew it.  And that's not because i don't like this game anymore or because i can't afford it, but i have one thing quite clear. I would spend money in something that won't last an extra year, not without a REAL change in GKO staff's actions.

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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2013, 05:29:13 AM »
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Re: Sugestion: Chance to receive direct red card for hard tackling users
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2013, 06:28:13 AM »
People are always talking about how token users have this mythical unfair advantage over other players.  Here's my point.  Unless you have been prohibited from buying tokens, you are free to buy them and use them as well.  People need to realize that unfair means one is given an advantage that another can't have.  All are free to spend money on tokens and use them as they wish.  Let's stop calling premium users unfair.  It is not a special club where some can't join.  Those who choose not to be premium have that choice but it doesn't make it unfair.

What are You calling mythical?
Does it fact that you can buy for real money the best available coach when others have to get credits from mini game which takes a lot of seasons? ( I omit Invites friends cause at this situation in GKO I don't feel good when recommend this game to anyone!) 
Or does it fact that  as Carlos said you can get  advantage when playing hard tackling cause injuries doesn't matter to You?
Or does it fact that you can buy new youth and instant report for that when others must pay 300 k g and wait several weeks for report?

I can tell what is mythical, the fact the rich men never understand the poor one!!!
Luckily GKO is not issue of dead or live so everyone can quit when feel treated unfairly !!!

Greed and money broken real world and will broke GKO if things don't change.


I am Premium user and IMHO this is enough money for run and develop this game. Premium gives some advantages like: double energy, opponent analysis but I can accept this cause I understand that nothing is for free. Premium  has some limits, too .  Using token has no limits : pull youth, heal injuries.

All is about balance. Premium features don't broke the balance much but tokens are the real evil!
« Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 06:35:54 AM by Ruta »
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