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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: WHEN ELECTION OF U21 ??????
« on: February 24, 2016, 10:43:52 AM »
It seems like admin needs ANOTHER remind  :(

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First of all, let me thank you for "clearing" my name, i had my mind quiet because i didn't abused with those moderator rights i still have and asked to be removed more than once, i am always for an open discusssion  8)

Now, back to the main topic:

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your proposal, with 250k per player or 2 mil fee is total injustice! you cannot claim that 250k per player is fair, because that would mean that every player was supposed to have a salary increase of about 14k.

I said it earlier and i will repeat it again: for some players, 250k as penalty is Ok, for some is wrong because they doesn't worth that much but for others, the price is ridiculous. The reason is simple: for any professional club, their players are their main capital, the players have a value in the market that can't be calculated based on their wage. Would you be happy if any other manager steals a player from your squad paying only 250k? We al know some players worth far more than a million, having such expensive players for free is not right. I would not expect them to be back for their real value, but something like this would be Ok:

Any player CA or LA lower than 6: Free
Any player CA or LA 7: 150k fine
Any player CA or LA 8: Around 200k
Any player CA or LA 9: 500k fine
Any player CA or LA 10 or higher: 1.5M fine.

A LA 10 player can be hired paying around 3M with some luck (they are easier to find for 4M up to 7M), and a CA10 player can be sold at 7M or a lot more, depending on other circumstances, paying 1.5M for having any of these back seems like a decent penalty for me.

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the income generated by them playing allows you to keep playing so you should stop being so ungrateful and stop asking for them to be punished

With that logic, stop aking for "that" cheater to be punished, the game runs because he is GKO main sponsor after all.
It's the same: people mostly doesn't pay to keep the game running, they pay for an ingame advantage and we all deal with that advantage as they can (they got what they buy), never forget that.
If GKO would have a supporter system without ingame advantage, in would be greatful with them. Should i also be greateful for their better youth and for watching my team as an open book? I don't think so.

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if your team is running perfect, why do you support penalizing others? they obviously don't run their teams perfect, so let them be.

Because i am not the only manager that renewed their players contracts, paid a lot more during a whole season and that is NOT fair for them, you should also place in other manager's position too.

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: Justice for all
« on: February 23, 2016, 01:33:45 PM »
Somebody is deleting messages... that's not nice.

I'm afraid so.

It can be an administrator, a moderator or the creator of that message.

I weren't, in fact i were offline when most messages were deleted.

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: Justice for all
« on: February 23, 2016, 01:08:34 PM »
Mihut, i don't know who deleted your messages, but just in case you suggest it was me, all i can say is that i were not, i don't need to do it, i mean my position has beennclear enough and i think that despite what you tought initially, i think my move was right actually, but don't you worry, i have no intenction to ask a penalty for you because you will pay more money than me in upcoming seasons  :)

Now, back to the main topic: some players might not be worth 250k penalty, but other players should worth a lot more.
For ANY team, their players are their main capital. If you lose 2 players worth more than a million in est. value or really high LA players, we all know that their value IN THE MARKET is worth millions: was a 10/12/4 player worth 250k for you? If that player owner wants to sell his player, he can get 12M really easily, some people never saw 12M in their accounts in 7 or 8 seasons playing, so would you consider a 250k penalty something "fair"?
I agree that asking 250k for having a CA5 player back is ridiculous, but having a LA12 player back for even 5M as a penalty is a great deal, of course it might be better than having the player back for free, but if that's the case, any of us would be happy if the GM gives any manager a LA12 player for 5M.
And to be clear, i am not asking a high LA player or some money back as compensation, i only want that those managers who got back MILLIONS in players, have to deal with something in exchange of those players that shouldn't be theirs anymore.

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: Justice for all
« on: February 23, 2016, 12:26:14 AM »
So, should i learn about game mechanics from you? Sorry but the way your players were trained tells me i shouldn't, nevermind, that is not the discussion point here... let me show you my point in the wages stuff and then tell me how wrong i were and how right you were:

What makes you think that i only renewed contracts because they were 1 season left? Did i say that? I said that i updated my contracts, and that is a completely different story!
When a player reaches CA7, he usually ask around 10k, but when he reaches CA10, he usually ask around 25k.
Now, what happens when a player reaches CA10 and his wage is around 15k? Sometimes they don't ask for a higer wage!
In other words, i pay some extra a week for 1 season and i save more in a 4 seasons.
That said, what is the best math for you in a 7 season circle?
*Pay 5k during 2 seasons and 9k in 2 season and 23k during the next 5?

OR

* Pay 5k during 2 season, 9k during another season and 13k during 4 seasons?

And just in case, i have an example for you:

Peregrine Kay, CA10 Level 74 at Okay morale. I have been paying him 12k/week during 3 seasons, if i would renew his contract, this should be his demands: http://imgur.com/eAvkwrf

And i am really sorry that i can't show you how much would ask me players like Gerhard Slusser, Mariano Ravelli or Fernando Nieva, they started their "4 season without higher wages" period a season ago.... But if their situation now is similar than Robles or Quintana , their wages should be around 25 and 35k...


Grab a calculator and do the maths yourself, see the difference considering 3 or 4 players in a similar situation and you will see how brilliant you actually were  :-X

THAT is what 15 seasons playing GKO taught me, to understand how things works, that sometimes i need to spend more to save a lot more later,  not the "you were used to...." thing you said.

My team improved a lot since last season, and i don't have any player requesting new wage, how about you?

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: Justice for all
« on: February 22, 2016, 10:44:43 PM »
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i would totally agree to impose a penalty, even let them lose the players, in case the system never showed the [UNH] warning and the users always renewed the contracts, without any warning, of any kind.

Why would that be for? Is there a rule that says that contracts must be renewed only when asked?
As far as i Know, there is no rule saying when we should renew our contracts, and also we have the freedom to decide if we want to renew our contracts when they are 1 OR 2 SEASONS REMAINING (learn this game mechanics first), even if our players aren't unhappy.
In the other hand, there is a rule that says that when a player's contract is over, you lose your player.
Should people be penalized because they weren't "smart enough to wait our active admin to randomly decide to turn players UNH"? ORLY? Do you also want "a penalty"?
Are the extra fees paid not enough "penalty"?

This is hilarious....

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: Justice for all
« on: February 22, 2016, 09:18:03 PM »
I think that vasnov actually meant that only a few complained about no UNH status when the season 15 started because peiple actually took advantage of it....

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: Justice for all
« on: February 22, 2016, 08:14:14 PM »
Mihut, i think we are going nowhere. The game DOES NOT renew own players contract automatically, it never did and when i said that i expected the game runing properly i paid my mistake (higher wages a whole season) but there is one difference: controlling our players contract is our job, not gamemaster's, not to menctionbthat people knew something was wrong with the UNH stuff. If you can not see the difference i think there is no point in this discussion.

In the other hand, "the cheater", remains the game fornthe same reason that people got their players back: admin need his money, are you suffering? I am reallt sorry, but in the other hand, some "good" people have players valued milions and they haven't lost anything at all. I am not expecting them to be banned of their players released, but i do think that things as they are now, are as unfair as that cheater free to do anything he wants, because for me (or any other team who did things right) any of these players would probably cost the the profit of a whole season.

Am i happy for havimg those managers still in the game? Of course i am, i want a fierce competition, but i want a fair competition and this is clearly not.

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: Justice for all
« on: February 22, 2016, 07:21:58 PM »
Obviously , we forget the most importante..la number of players in this game is important for adm . because it sells advertising that goes % of the number of users at the expense of justice Game

why they are not eliminated accounts cheats

No Chuncho, nobody forgot that, but people is not requesting those players in market as free players again for a reason: The game exactly as it was early sunday was heading straight to its grave, but now we went to the oposite side: anarchy increases.
When somebody break the rules (let's say, you create a second account and trade players) you "normally" should have one account permanently banned and your main account banned for a while and then a fine (it was twice the money you cheated).
Now people skipped the rules (thebrule that says that when a player contract expires, you lose him) and they haven't lost anything: and in some situations things are even worst, i know some people that is now upgrading their player room because they can't afford those new wages, so what is the message people get?

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: Justice for all
« on: February 22, 2016, 06:49:26 PM »
Sorry? The game only renewed loaned out player's contract, not other player contracts, (that was after some people let their players go in loan and forgot to renew,  in fact, the first season it happened people lost their players) so what are you talking about? Were i complaining when i renewed contracts and UNH status didn't happened last season? No i weren't, i felt sorry for acting based on a normal game situation, but this is a lot different, in som cases we are talking about people geting players worth millions for free!
Have you ever seen the game manual? It clearly says that when a contract expires, you lose the player.
If you feel superior because you did not updated your contract until last time go on, honestly i don't care (and as i pointed early, i am not expecting a few millions back), but i do expect that if those users didn't suffered the penalty they should (players lost), i expect some kind of penalty.

Once again, read the manual and the rules. If you are ok with things as they are now, you are no different than a cheater, because fairness OR rules doesn't seem to care you.

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: Justice for all
« on: February 22, 2016, 06:01:18 PM »
Mihut, let me see if i get your point right:

I update my team fees expecting GKO working properly? Yes you're right! I am the one to blame.

I am not expecting a few millions back, but i DO expect that those who ended the season with their duties done have some kind of advantage against those who didn't update a salary in 3 seasons and should've lost their players. Is that so crazy?

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: Justice for all
« on: February 22, 2016, 01:46:35 PM »
+1

I am fully agreed.

I am not against that managers having their players back (i consider it wrong, but i understand the side effect of leaving teams without players and probably, the game without actuve managers), but i believe it is time to penalize those who did something wrong or praise those who did things right.

Else, if somebody lose an important match during the season, people would be rightful to say "hey admin, i forgot to prepare the match, if you don't roll back i will leave the game".

A manager game is all about decisions, all the time, when my team was poorer, i had to fire a 120 credit coach once to keep my finances more or less controlled, i try to keep a small squad with all my income facilities maxed and i lose around 330k each week, watching people saving lots of money in wages and their players back without a penalty doesn't sound right at all!

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: Armagedon. Players without contract
« on: February 22, 2016, 11:10:36 AM »
Mihut, your point is not entirely right and let me tell you why:
UNH status was removed WITHOUT NOTICE, i don't know how you run your preseason, but to me, the preseason is mostly to farm player's morale: in fact, last season ivstarted playing against teams that ended playing WCC this season, i am not connected 24/7 so i expected my players to turn UNH at any momento, so i renewed contracts, the same habit i used durin the previous 14 seasons i played GKO.

I UNDERSTAND THAT RESTORING THE DATABASE WAS NEEDED, isn't fair but it certainly was needed. But what about those who paid high wages the whole season or renewed contracts in time? Once again, fact proves us that cheating and doing things wrong is Ok.
And i will be beyond: all teams who recovered their players have them with the old wages, theirnwages are not even updated! In some cases, the players are CA7+ LA9+ amd their wage is around 2K, now they have their players, have another season to leave their wages untouched (if they care to farm only) and they've got another seasonnto keepnthe players there, playing for only 2K/week.
Not to menction that those players can be sold, and in some situations, they are worth millions! So lhe least i expected was CONTRACTS UPDATED, no tjust renewed.

So i understand that this move was needed, but no reward to good managerial moves and no penalties to bad managerial moves? Show must go on i guess.

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: DISASTER! Admin at fault
« on: February 21, 2016, 03:34:46 PM »
i suggested to admin to run a backup of last season, extend all 1 year contracts and re-reset the season. i got an answer:

Please let me discuss with the technical team.

i hope it's possible

Technical team?

Do you really think this game has a technical team?   ::) ???

We all know it doesn't have it, but it sounds like the game has serious staff behind don't you think?

Seems like something is gonna happen.

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: DISASTER! Admin at fault
« on: February 21, 2016, 03:19:08 PM »
i suggested to admin to run a backup of last season, extend all 1 year contracts and re-reset the season. i got an answer:

Please let me discuss with the technical team.

i hope it's possible

He should do it.
Else, the active user database will drastically drop

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: DISASTER! Admin at fault
« on: February 21, 2016, 02:23:21 PM »
Well i've been speaking to peapole on polish chat about contracts... and they still didn't renew them. So it's mostly your own fault.

Game forum is kinda unnactive too, but people were also warned here: http://forum.gokickoff.com/index.php?topic=19890.0

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: DISASTER! Admin at fault
« on: February 21, 2016, 01:37:56 PM »
At the beginning last season,all my players was unhappy so i RENEWED they contract.minimum is 2 years so its impossible that i forgot it.explain this Kr10s!

Congratulations, you are only manager who got UNH players during season 15....

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: DISASTER! Admin at fault
« on: February 21, 2016, 01:06:10 PM »
@gabrielis

Every team and every league are "a different world", i am really sorry if my comment offended somebody, i tried to be as polite as possible but it clearly is a complicated issue.

My main rival in Argentina Top Level (and also, the best friend that this game gave me) lost 5 players, 2 of them are NT players and he forgot the renewals. Many teams in my country lost many players, some teams here also have 2 or 3 players in their squad too and i wouldn't be surprised if the leave the game.

What happened today is a big mix of bad things:

* Admin have the game too abandoned for too long time, and his unability to fix really old issued placed us into this spot. A season ago, some of us said that "removing the UNH status was for a reason: avoiding UNH loaned players". Now we have a bigger problem.
* Some managers knew that their players's contract were 1 season left, but they decided to leave their contract at that point during the whole season and then forgot to renew (my friend's situation).
* Some managers knew about contracts, but forgot to renew them because they didn't see any UNH player? Really sorry, but as i said before, admin has a part of the blame, but not all of it.
* Some managers didn't knew about contracts? When a new manager start, all hisbplayers have a 3 season contract, so they had 3 seasons (more than a year) to find out about bit.

And the saddest part of it is that many people will leave the game (i wouldn't blame them, i woudln't start over in a dying game) and those who remain will have to deal with people who doesn't have any control on their finances (does somebody think about the posibility to grab a decent free player at a decent wage? Because i don't).

But in the end, we will all lose... "More people, more fun", that used to be GKO's motto, now it sounds like anbold dream... :(

EDIT: I forgot to say: in a different time, a warning between users in chat feed might happen, the lack of interaction among users is another proof of what's happening.

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: DISASTER! Admin at fault
« on: February 21, 2016, 12:02:26 PM »
With all respect, admin is not the only guilty, we have the tools to realize that our player contract's are expiring. I have not been affected because when season 15 started, i updated all the contracts i needed, i paid higher wages during the season, but i kept my whole squad now.

If somebody tought that avoiding renewals during the season was a good idea, i might be a good one if he would have renewed the contracts during the 3 weeks postseason, nobody should blame admin for forgoting something like that.

The game is stuck? Yes
Admin have the game completely forgoten? Yes
Is the game turning more and more unfair? Sure!

But i don't think we should blame admin for some manager's mistakes.

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: Armagedon. Players without contract
« on: February 21, 2016, 11:12:27 AM »
In the players page, there is a view mode that allow managers to see their player's contract, realizing that all those players were expiring was SO easy.....

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His claimed stats and CA/LA/PR arent what's promised.

Be careful.

I have not this kind of problems since my scouts are at the level max.

I pay just 5 energy point for knowing the exact values of any players.

These are G well spent.

QFT

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It depends who you face... I don't think i would surprise a top manager hiding a strong player during friendlies or qualifying matches.

Hide a tactical system is a different story  :)

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Mihut, there is one thing that made your situation different: Zsoka didn't use players that should be in the NT. I am sure that chinese manager is not trying to farm a LA8 player, to me, leaving a fully developed player aside to farm a valid replacement is not wrong.

Just two questions: "after the competition, who do you think that lost more? Zsoka's or Romania reputation? And the other would be "did something changed after that?" Because i can't imagine it did...

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: TRANSFER MISTAKE!!
« on: October 21, 2015, 12:05:12 PM »
Sell it to 100 G maybe some players will buy it, also because the salary payable will drop a little
Well, if two teams sell multiple times (every 3 days) this player for 100 G, I think his wage will gradually decrease. So, just find other team willing to do that (you should be the owner every friday morning). I might be wrong though... am I?

I'm not so sure of it...
As far as i know, demands only decreases when the player level drops (in other words, when they get old and his abilities decrrases little by little).

I am not 100% sure, but i think that is not possible.

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General Discussion(English Only) / Re: TRANSFER MISTAKE!!
« on: October 20, 2015, 08:46:22 PM »
Quote from: spamrulez

I simply take me out of the BOW (bid on wages). I like to pay a bit more to the club instead.

Anyway I had my part of errors by putting some players at the wrong starting price and I lost a couple of players of mine for peanuts. It can happens, especially since this game is not mobile friendly. A simply confirmation buttom could fix it but our Admin is simply doing nothing for the game.

Same here, i usually avoid wage wars paying a higher transfer fee, but sometimes.that strategy is not possible (how much extra would you paybfor a player listed 10M? If i want a player listed at 3M or 5M i would pay more, i would think about paying a 30% or 50% extra.en a situation like that pkayer's).

And about Mobile devices, i am fully agreed with you.

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