My friend somehow many of us we share your anger, but let's think a little bit. in the academy you invest money just once and you receive every season 7 youth, maybe this season was less than we expected but you dont know what you will receive in the future seasons meanwhile in the youth camp you invest money and receive 4 players in 2 seasons and after that the money are lost. those presents how you name it are a reward for those who riscked invest money with out knowing wat they will receive.
No, this feature will bring balance to the game. With this feature new managers will have chance to compete with managers who already have the best academies. Well done, admin!
No, this feature will bring balance to the game. With this feature new managers will have chance to compete with managers who already have the best academies. Well done, admin!
it makes perfect sense what you are sayng but is also true that one manager obtained same players like me. he invested 675 000g and I investet 2,75 milion.No, this feature will bring balance to the game. With this feature new managers will have chance to compete with managers who already have the best academies. Well done, admin!
No, not at all!
A top level team can invest FAR MORE money than a new player if he wants. Bigger clubs are going to invest money in youth camps and the gap will be even bigger from now on!!!!!
Youth camp's idea was not a bad idea indeed, but it needed some testing! The system is way too unbalanced!
I am tired to be treated like a f*cking lab mice.....
it makes perfect sense what you are sayng but is also true that one manager obtained same players like me. he invested 675 000g and I investet 2,75 milion.No, this feature will bring balance to the game. With this feature new managers will have chance to compete with managers who already have the best academies. Well done, admin!
No, not at all!
A top level team can invest FAR MORE money than a new player if he wants. Bigger clubs are going to invest money in youth camps and the gap will be even bigger from now on!!!!!
Youth camp's idea was not a bad idea indeed, but it needed some testing! The system is way too unbalanced!
I am tired to be treated like a f*cking lab mice.....
Gap is not going to be bigger. Everybody gets similar players, more investment doesnt mean better players. That is the point. That is why this change is brilliant. And as usual, the same people complain. if I remember well, some people asked for random in camps, now the same people complain because random was bad for them this time.and a secundary effect beginers can now buy players more and more cheap !
No, this feature will bring balance to the game. With this feature new managers will have chance to compete with managers who already have the best academies. Well done, admin!
Gap is not going to be bigger. Everybody gets similar players, more investment doesnt mean better players. That is the point. That is why this change is brilliant. And as usual, the same people complain. if I remember well, some people asked for random in camps, now the same people complain because random was bad for them this time.
Offensive language has nothing do to with this situation.
We are welcome the new feature and have new things to explore. But I am afraid the rate for high LA players (LA7+) generated is too high and will do deeply impact the balance for this game. It�s not fair for the one who spent lots of money on the academy or purchasing good player from the market.
And the algorithm to generate for player is too simple (Fixed rate, CA=1, PR=4), actually, it sucks.
Another thing is, seems admin is rarely to gather comments from our side when trying to implement a new feature. It forcing us to leave.
And as usual, the same people complain.
In each country, every youth camp will be ranked based on the cumulative investment of each club.
- The total investment on youth camps of each country will affect the ability of youth players in that country.
I buy players 1/8+/4 pm me with your price. only reasonable one 8) 8)
Imho, I think admin is trying to take game money out of the game as much as possible with this system. Now that players know that number one place will get the best players. People will invest a lot of money to get first place. It's not a bad idea.
Just hurry up with that CANCEL button!
1.100 fresh 9/4, it's not enough to impact the balance. count the 9/4 or higher exist in GKO. 100 is not a big number. and LA 9 is not the final LA limit. you can even expect more, LA 12, LA13...
2. Good player always went to greater club. if they don't gather it from academy/Youth Camp, they will buy it from market. No doubt they have enough money to do so.
3. we can expect the next round. many greate club will spend more money to Youth Camp for the 9/4. it will be fair as the greatest investment will generate the greater player.
4. About the academy, it's different things with Youth Camp. you cannot just compare this two function/facilites. with the best academy you got the best youth player, while there is another way Youth Camp. you can even invest academy and Youth Camp in the same time.
In countries where a large number of manager investment give the 10 players with large LA and 20 players with midle LA. In countries where a low number of manager investment with great yielded 2 players with large LA and 2 player with middle LA. Or something proportionally. Then the teams that are on top of investments receive the best players and everyone is happy[/size][/color]
first of all, no need to double-post.
then: you misunderstood, in countries with low investment there will be zero large LA players. would you invest any amount of money in a small country, to have no chance of getting a large LA player, or would you prefer to invest the same amount in a large country, to have a chance of getting a large LA player?
if you need a translation of admin�s post, here it is: large countries will get the same kind of players (1 x LA 10, some LA 9 and so on), the small countries will have significantly weaker players. do you think ?significantly? means LA 9? i bet it�s lower than 8, maybe lower than 7. does it worth for any team that wants to get stronger to invest 3x5.000 g a week in such players, when you can buy a 2/6/3 for 10.000 - 15.000 g?
or maybe even less, if you�re a good shopper.
Many people invested BEFORE admin's announcement, and still CAN'T cancel that youth camp.
Not to menction that Youth camps were released without any docs to explain how they works.
What should they do? Reduce their weekly investment to 5.000G and let it be? They need a fair solution, i don't think they should get their investment back (they received a player after all) but they should have the chance to fix their situation under this new and unexpected scenario, don't you think?
I�m not saying it�s ok to launch a feature without enough information about it.
shomyguca probably assumed i meant everybody can or should move the current investment to the top investment countries. that is impossible for the moment.
I only talked about new camps. there are plenty of users out there that still have empty slots for youth camps. i have 3, shomyguca has 1, for example.
sorry but I think you did not understand, now says the adm. that only large countries best players take out the camps? ... can not be
why not said before, it's crazy ..
at least if it starts hurting less tool to remove the camp, but this is small, considering the loss of money and time that each spent without having a real-time information, if any changes ... changes everything becomes a joke right?
- Youth camp
- You can build up to 3 youth camps in any countries (but not your country) without any cost but you have to pay maintenance fee on a weekly basis (at least 5,000 G per week).
- On Thursday at 06:00:00 (server time), each club has to invest an amount of money on every youth camp that it owns.
- If the amount of money is not enough to deduct, only 5,000 G will be invested for that week.
- Your Investment will be accumulated up to 2 seasons.
E.g. First year invest 50,000 G -> cumulative investment = 50,000 G
Second year invest 100,000 G -> cumulative investment = 150,000 G
Third year invest 200,000 G -> cumulative investment = 300,000 G
Fourth year invest 100,000 G -> cumulative investment = 300,000 G
- In each country, every youth camp will be ranked based on the cumulative investment of each club.
- The total investment on youth camps of each country will affect the ability of youth players in that country.
- Between the 9th week to 15th week of league competition, youth competitions will be held to search for young talents.
Each youth camp will sign a player and send that player to the club automatically.
- Another youth competitions will be held between the 25th week to 30th week of league competition to select another youth player for each club.
- Therefore, each youth camp will send 2 youth players to the club every season.
- A youth player will choose to join a club based on the ranking of the club's camp that suit his ability.
This was obviously a BUG which helped to clubs who invested low amount of money. They profited much more than us who were kept this written rules. They want to fix this bug? What is wrong? To me,only Cancel button. ONLY!
Lacking a "close camp" option, I wonder how long until managers start creating ghost clubs just to inflate the amount invested in the countries where they have youth camps? Action is needed, and soon. Some suggestions I have for the development of this feature:I dont know why this post is without any comments? This is so important, cause "ghost camps" is another way to cheat. As we know this game is full of cheaters. I can see multi-acconts settled juss because of invest in one country.
2. Each week after weekly investment is paid, the investment setting automatically resets to zero. Managers have to manually re-set their weekly investment each week.
3. If a club is in debt, all investment in youth camps should be suspended until the club is out of debt. If the club remains in debt for too long, its youth camps start closing.
In addition to providing a way to finally close a youth camp, nos. 1 & 2 would minimize investments from banned and inactive managers. Also this prevents managers from rapidly building and closing camps in search of the "right" country. Once a youth camp is built, you are stuck with it for at least 3-4 weeks. No. 3 should prevent (inactive) teams from investing heavily when they don't have the funds. It also helps keep high youth camp fees from driving (active) clubs into bankruptcy.
For me, the problem with a cancel button is how it would enable any manager to open and close youth camps in an unlimited number of nations without cost or time constraint. Thus if a cancel button were introduced, there would need to be a cost for camp creation and/or destruction. Since everyone was able to start youth camps for free so far, it must be a cancellation cost. Personally, I'd like to see these remain without cost, but then, "time is money", so both options would have the same net effect I think.
Finally, national statistics on youth camp investment should be published...in premium game statistics.I like your idea very much. This is a good way for premium feature.
QuoteFinally, national statistics on youth camp investment should be published...in premium game statistics.I like your idea very much. This is a good way for premium feature.
if a cancel button were introduced, there would need to be a cost for camp creation and/or destructionDude, remember that if you create another camp, you have to start again adding money to it. So I think that is a cost Enough, to destroy a camp and create a new one, for example in my case, if I want to destroy my Paraguay's camp I lose 1505000 G
QuoteFinally, national statistics on youth camp investment should be published...in premium game statistics.I like your idea very much. This is a good way for premium feature.
Yes, all for the premium! So the rest of us non-premium players can just quit with this game!
if a cancel button were introduced, there would need to be a cost for camp creation and/or destructionDude, remember that if you create another camp, you have to start again adding money to it. So I think that is a cost Enough, to destroy a camp and create a new one, for example in my case, if I want to destroy my Paraguay's camp I lose 1505000 G
Or, you could just send a message to a premium manager with a request for this information, I'm sure it is easy to find one that would help. ;)QuoteFinally, national statistics on youth camp investment should be published...in premium game statistics.I like your idea very much. This is a good way for premium feature.
Yes, all for the premium! So the rest of us non-premium players can just quit with this game!
8)Just hurry up with that CANCEL button!
8)
just to get an attention i am really tired of waiting and watch how they ruin the game...
Lat game of the season on the board but no players got. This last week of youth camp investment gonna kill my debt ridden club in the youth clubs ranking.
Lat game of the season on the board but no players got. This last week of youth camp investment gonna kill my debt ridden club in the youth clubs ranking.
Do not invest if you have no money. ;)
Simples
So many things are not still done by Admin, so i am not even surprised we have another statement made before, not to be truthful^^
Lat game of the season on the board but no players got. This last week of youth camp investment gonna kill my debt ridden club in the youth clubs ranking.
Do not invest if you have no money. ;)
Simples
So many things are not still done by Admin, so i am not even surprised we have another statement made before, not to be truthful^^
I got sudden debt after being punished with -2,000,000G for illegal transfer ::) Otherwise I was going balanced.
I did not knew receiving excessive money is illegal. I thought it is a jackpot :-XLat game of the season on the board but no players got. This last week of youth camp investment gonna kill my debt ridden club in the youth clubs ranking.
Do not invest if you have no money. ;)
Simples
So many things are not still done by Admin, so i am not even surprised we have another statement made before, not to be truthful^^
I got sudden debt after being punished with -2,000,000G for illegal transfer ::) Otherwise I was going balanced.
Then don't do illegal transfers! idiot...
Rules were clear from the beginning. Just was a bug in mid-season. Now is all by the rules. Countries with highest total investment got the best youth. Everyone should now to know that is very bad idea to invest in country when ie 1000 users cause good players get only some from the top of the list. You just did good work for someone else ha ha
And I tell you what to do know. Stop to invest in big countries try to find others to make many countries on same level of investments. after that new youth will come to more countries than : Brazil, Spain, Italy or Argentina. The most problem is that we need a Cancel Button
Repeat :
1) the most important : Cancel Button
1) don't invest in countries with many users, cause you help someone else
2) if you want to play this Russian roulette try to make more countries on same level of investments
it is useless to complain so much .. no one forces you to spend millions in youth ... who does he does at his own risk and peril complain ... it's no use your brain! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Actually, I quit on camps after first round. I invested only 5k per each on my 2 camps. But still, it is to much for me and I still want that CANCEL button! :)Right move. Smart guy :)
asked who invests millions in camp ... even if you draw a 184 194 or more than 17 years ... at this point of the season .... you think that you will maxarlo? the game worth the candle? ... realize that these youth are real slot machines ... you put the investment to a minimum and be done to revive the sound of hundreds of k .... as they are studied are a hole in the water ! ;)
I see that this guy Ruta is very "smart" and answering on every question. So Ruta, I can see that you understand the algorithm completely so can you tell me what kind of players did you got from YC and what do you think that I got in Ganna(5/43 with 505k), Tajikistan(3/8 with 415k) and Spain(13/810 with 1090k)?
I see that this guy Ruta is very "smart" and answering on every question. So Ruta, I can see that you understand the algorithm completely so can you tell me what kind of players did you got from YC and what do you think that I got in Ganna(5/43 with 505k), Tajikistan(3/8 with 415k) and Spain(13/810 with 1090k)?
in Ghana - 1/4/4
in Tajikistan - 1/3/4
in Spain - 1/6/4
In other words, it seems that bigger accumulative investment does not increase global quality.... does that mean that maybe there's a "barrier" in global investment that, once crossed, allow big countries to pull LA10 players?I don't see any reasons for to be better youth form YC then Academy. There was some LA 11+ from academy too . IMHO when LA will rice it be for both sources of youth
I've got 1/4/3 and 1/4/4 cause I invested in YC minimal cost.Bravo Ruta! So smart of you to invest such a small amount and get so good players!
I am the guy who is not active on forum like you but I can send you picture if you just let me be a little more ironic.funny, you made my day :) I don't need your photo ,lol I just want to know which team you provide. I can't tell you to be active, but when you want to say something you shouldn't be so lazy ! Check something before you are posting. Here you are my words before ( at last) Admin said that rule will be hold :I've got 1/4/3 and 1/4/4 cause I invested in YC minimal cost.Bravo Ruta! So smart of you to invest such a small amount and get so good players!
And now seriously, I got THE SAME players LIKE YOU in Ganna and Tajikistan with a 1 mil investments and that should explain everything to you. You should stop writing to someone who is angry and believed that admin will do this thing right (like xerexy and me) sentences like "I knew that" and "read the rules". And if you are so well known here let me ask you another question - did you write to people that they should not invest money when Youth camp started?
Let's see closer to the biggest problem :Above in this topic others users said more about we have now. Nobody should be surprise .
1. where is cancel button , which Admin has been proved us?
2. we should know how many users is in each country before choosing to build a camp.
3. need to know algorithm why in one country LA 9 player cost 130 000 but in another 950 000. Now it looks like first on the list in each country got the best player no matter how many money in total was invested in each country. It is completely different than
Admin said
-QuoteIn each country, every youth camp will be ranked based on the cumulative investment of each club.
- The total investment on youth camps of each country will affect the ability of youth players in that country.
Generally I think that now will be battle only for first place in each country. When we look that now the best youth from Camp are LA 10 then even 300 k g looks good .
I agree with Carlos that youth from Camps should be more random cause small teams are now out of possibility to get good rookies.
You should stop writing to someone who is angry and believed that admin will do this thing right
Forget it!
CarlosT ok, can you find the country at this moment when you can invest 100k and be the first there? If you can you deserve good player (I don't mean la10,11 and especially not 2,3,4) But this stupid system doesn't consider ranking or money investment in the right way and this guy who gave 6mil just prove that.
We all agree that system is bad , but users by their stupidity, not reading rules and short seeing make it even worst :(CarlosT ok, can you find the country at this moment when you can invest 100k and be the first there? If you can you deserve good player (I don't mean la10,11 and especially not 2,3,4) But this stupid system doesn't consider ranking or money investment in the right way and this guy who gave 6mil just prove that.
There was a 9/4 pushed in Antigua and Barbuda, his manager spent less than 200k in the first wave, that is not right, my friend.
IMHO, to make this system fair, it must change:
If admin wants to keep the "cumulative investment" country for each nation, the race for the first place must end, a 4th placed team should have a chance to receive something better than the first one, a top level team doesn't have the same incomes than a D level team after all.
Else, the right thing should be that "the more you invest in camps, the better you receive", without considering global investment into account. I mean, if you invested 3M in global (let's say 1M in 3 different countries) you should have the chance to receive something better than somebody who invested 2M in one country.
But in the way i look at it, this ridiculous system is working exactly as it were announced.
I do not think myselve stupid but thanks for that notice, so everyone who started this game early got players with fantastic PR is Smart and they are best and do not need players LA 7 or even LA8 I dod not I need those players and you call me stupid because I invested and expected LA7 and dreamed LA8 players, not the best way realy!
Xerexy don't try to explain something to people who are the smartest because they have 800+ topics on the forumbrings nothing to main issue. So calm down , take a big breathe and then write if you has something proper to tell.
CarlosT we agree that system is not good at all, but we do not agree for the expectations. I think that 3rd place with 415k in some country can't and must not get la3 player now meter what are the investments in other countries and you can't blame me for that :)In GKO youth system is not working like you want. Both Academy and Youth Camp provide a limited quantity of players: best, very good, good �and so on. There is no matter how much money someone invested or how high level of Academy he has. We all saw that when quantity of very good academy and the best risen quality of youth came from them felt down (medium quality for each user).
CarlosT we agree that system is not good at all, but we do not agree for the expectations. I think that 3rd place with 415k in some country can't and must not get la3 player now meter what are the investments in other countries and you can't blame me for that :)
We all agree that system is bad , but users by their stupidity, not reading rules and short seeing make it even worst :(That's all from me, see you on some other discussion maybe, greetings! 8)
Yes and no.... what do you expect? LA7? Even ir you were third, you must admit that 415k invested after a whole season is a low investment, you shouldn't expect more than LA5 players with that investment.Yes CarlosT, I could understand that I got LA5 and it is HALF season investment so LA5 is the least that you would expect also - or even more? That's why I was angry - at the begining :) Angry on IRRESPONSIBLE ADMIN and I am writing this just so he can MAYBE, SOMETIMES, IF HE HAVE TIME READ THIS :)
Spent 2 millions and finished 8th in Brasil. Got 1/7/4 was expecting at least 8 la but can leave with that as it was risky decision and please do not forget that this money is for two seasons so if i won't invest anymore i will still hopefully will get my money back selling the players ;) ???
So stop complain on what you have got. The system should be changed to be more balanced, but you were aware of it is a bit early and risky to invest on youth camps currently)
- In each country, every youth camp will be ranked based on the cumulative investment of each club.
- The total investment on youth camps of each country will affect the ability of youth players in that country.
I am looking forward to a delete youth camp button!
IMHO the drop-off in quality is extremely fast even in big nations, and there seems to lack consistency among nations in how high LA players are allocated.
In Spain a total of 140,530,000 G has been inveseted in youth camps by 807 clubs
The the top three clubs (avg. investment 5.0 Millions) received LA 11, 10, and 9 players in this round. Meanwhile, none of the other 804 clubs with youth camp investments got better than LA7 and only a small number of LA7 players were allocated; for example, the 6th ranked team (with ~2 million invested) only received a LA6 player!
Meanwhile, in Argentina 154,680,000 G has been invested by 723 clubs
There, all of the top six clubs (avg. investment 4.9 million) received LA8+ players. Four additional teams (ranked 6th to 53rd) received LA7 players. The remaining 713 teams received LA6 or lower players. Interestingly, the 112th ranked team (only 280,000 G invested) received a LA6 player!
Argentine youth camps produced twice as many LA8+ players than Spain. This might make sense if the total or average investment in Argentina was twice that of Spain, but it is nowhere near that:
Total investment Average Investment
Argentina 154,680,000 213,942
Spain 140,530,000 174,139
SPA % of ARG: 90.8% 81.4%
???
In these countries, clubs that received LA8+ players invested ~5 million, on average, half the cost of "the best" academy upgrade! At this rate, these teams will spend ~10 million in two seasons for 4 LA8-11 players. I hope they think it was worth it, because I sure wouldn't. This only seems like a good idea after no further academy upgrades are possible. I am looking forward to a delete youth camp button!
IMHO the drop-off in quality is extremely fast even in big nations, and there seems to lack consistency among nations in how high LA players are allocated.
In Spain a total of 140,530,000 G has been inveseted in youth camps by 807 clubs
The the top three clubs (avg. investment 5.0 Millions) received LA 11, 10, and 9 players in this round. Meanwhile, none of the other 804 clubs with youth camp investments got better than LA7 and a surprisingly small number of LA7 players were allocated; for example, the 6th ranked team (with ~2 million invested) only received a LA6 player!
Meanwhile, in Argentina 154,680,000 G has been invested by 723 clubs
There, all of the top six clubs (avg. investment 4.9 million) received LA8+ players. The remaining 717 teams received LA7 or lower players. Interestingly, the 112th ranked team (only 280,000 G invested) received a LA6 player!
Argentine youth camps produced twice as many LA8+ players than Spain. This might make sense if the total or average investment in Argentina was twice that of Spain, but it is nowhere near that:
Total investment Average Investment
Argentina 154,680,000 213,942
Spain 140,530,000 174,139
SPA % of ARG: 90.8% 81.4%
???
In these countries, clubs that received LA8+ players invested ~5 million, on average, half the cost of "the best" academy upgrade! At this rate, these teams will spend ~10 million in two seasons for 4 LA8-11 players. I hope they think it was worth it, because I sure wouldn't. This only seems like a good idea after no further academy upgrades are possible. I am looking forward to a delete youth camp button!
I am in when people said that there should be levels for each LA i.e:
LA 5 for 200 k
La 6 for 400 k
LA 7 for 1 mln
LA 8 for 2,5 mln
LA 9 for 3,5 mln ,
LA 10 for 5 mln
I took this price as medium for market price for each LA.
People shouldn't be punished when they want to develop their team by new youth. There should be a chance to get a better youth even when invest less then above. So user will be in danger to get player on unwanted position but have also chance to get better player then available on the market on price like above.
Brian, how can you have such exact data, you seem know which player has received each of 807 teams investing in Spain, each player received by each of 723 teams investing in Argentina, how are you able of make such hard job?
Even, do you have add each team's amount in each country for make this investigation?.
Congratzs! Great job if it is as I am saying.
Agree, I see Error got 3 LA 10 from Germany, Brazil and Argentina . He invested about 5-6 mln in each country. So he go three CA 1 player and PR 4. They need 4-5 seasons training in first team . He can't do this. IMHO he wasted his money. Yesterday 2/11/4 form YC was sold for 2,89 only!!! http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6817446wow, great price for buyer
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IMHO,YC are for teams in lower divisions , who cant farm those rookies. Or teams in small country without any competitions
really? anymore wanted him:P It is very hard to train CA 1-2 players with PR 4Agree, I see Error got 3 LA 10 from Germany, Brazil and Argentina . He invested about 5-6 mln in each country. So he go three CA 1 player and PR 4. They need 4-5 seasons training in first team . He can't do this. IMHO he wasted his money. Yesterday 2/11/4 form YC was sold for 2,89 only!!! http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6817446wow, great price for buyer
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IMHO,YC are for teams in lower divisions , who cant farm those rookies. Or teams in small country without any competitions
personally I had bought the player if I known about himreally? anymore wanted him:P It is very hard to train CA 1-2 players with PR 4Agree, I see Error got 3 LA 10 from Germany, Brazil and Argentina . He invested about 5-6 mln in each country. So he go three CA 1 player and PR 4. They need 4-5 seasons training in first team . He can't do this. IMHO he wasted his money. Yesterday 2/11/4 form YC was sold for 2,89 only!!! http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6817446wow, great price for buyer
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IMHO,YC are for teams in lower divisions , who cant farm those rookies. Or teams in small country without any competitions
edit. not LA but CA
Is it me or most LA10 players are pulled from youth camp? I haven't seen all countries youth, but at least in Argentina top LA players list, LA10 players are rarely from academy, most of then are from camps...In Argentina maybe, cause you have just few best academies. In Poland we have 7 LA 10+ players this season. In total there is more LA 10+ players form academies then Youth Camps, IMHO
Fiji,1520k,1/6/4,what great newsTajikistan, 100k, 1/6/4, that's even greater news for you... :(
Youth Camp Academy
Age 1/7/4 1/11/4 3/7/3 3/7/3
15 3
16 4
17 1 1 5 3
18 2 2 7 5
19 3 3 7 7
20 5 5 8 7
21 7 7 8 8
22 8 8 9 8
23 8 9 9 9
24 9 9 10 9
25 9 10 10 10
26 10 10 11 10
27 10 11 11 11
28 11 11 12 11
Yeah, I agree that new youth players overall skills should be boosted a little bit.I don't know why players from YC should be better? And why those from academies not? Or maybe let give everyone LA 10 now? :)
I got a decent player this season but his CA is like 0.5, literally all of his skills <6 LOL
Maybe they should younger only cause CA 1 is hard to train.