Author Topic: National league and cup (finalist) prizes (Read 3508 times)

Brian Clough · « **on:** October 12, 2012, 05:00:08 AM »

Here's my suggestion:

1)Reduce National cup prize to 1M and increase top level league prize to 1.5M and increase prizes for other spots accordingly (league has at least twice as many matches so should be higher anyway)
2)Hold National Cup final match in National Stadium and triple attendence. Treat national stadium as "the best" quality with ample seating to accomodate this, splitting ticket revenue as would normally happen.

While I know no.1 has been discussed before, never has it been suggested with no.2. This solution not only provides additional rewards to BOTH cup finalists, but solves no.1 at the same time.

gabrielis · « **Reply #1 on:** October 12, 2012, 10:54:05 AM »

why 2 solves 1?there is nothing to solve. Playing in cup is much harder than in league, you can lose anytime, so you have to use mots and best players. cup winner should be well rewarded. i agree with 2 only because home team has advantage. in neutral stadium there would be no home advantage

Ruta · « **Reply #2 on:** October 12, 2012, 11:08:06 AM »

I'm doubt if there is any advantage in home games in cup? Cause stadium quality is counting only in league games.
I 've seen home team more times win after penalty, only

Brian Clough · « **Reply #3 on:** October 12, 2012, 08:40:17 PM »

Quote from: gabrielis on October 12, 2012, 10:54:05 AM

why 2 solves 1?there is nothing to solve. Playing in cup is much harder than in league, you can lose anytime, so you have to use mots and best players. cup winner should be well rewarded. i agree with 2 only because home team has advantage. in neutral stadium there would be no home advantage

First, How is playing 5 or 8 or even 14 matches in national cup harder than playing 30 in league? I don't get it. More matches = harder. The point of national cups is to give lower clubs a chance to win silverware and prizes. If the national cup prize is significantly greater than the top level league winner's prize then those top teams will prioritize the cup over the league, when it should be the other way around, IMO. I would challenge you to find one national cup competition in the RW whose prize is more than half that of the top league in that nation. For example, in England, the FA Cup winner prize (counting winnings from all rounds) is a mere 20% of the Premier league winner's prize.

I would suggest increasing all league prizes by a factor of 1.5, so current prize table

would become

League prizes should be increased across the board in part to counteract increased wages with new transfer system as well as the inflation in transfer fees over the past few seasons that the new transfer system is probably designed to curtail. Prizes haven't changed since season 1, after all.
I still would think that national cup prize be reduced somewhat, but even if it remains (the same as top level winner) it would be better than current system where cup prize is higher.

Finally, Ruta is right, there is no home advantage in cup matches regardless where they are played. The point is only to increase the value of reaching the final given reduced prize money. I would also suggest that semifinals be played in national stadium to increase the value of making that far (even if only to lose), though it may seem unrealistic for two matches to happen simultaneously in the same stadium...

Diartt · « **Reply #4 on:** October 12, 2012, 08:54:12 PM »

Quote from: Brian Clough on October 12, 2012, 08:40:17 PM

First, How is playing 5 or 8 or even 14 matches in national cup harder than playing 30 in league? I don't get it. More matches = harder. The point of national cups is to give lower clubs a chance to win silverware and prizes. If the national cup prize is significantly greater than the top level league winner's prize then those top teams will prioritize the cup over the league, when it should be the other way around, IMO. I would challenge you to find one national cup competition in the RW whose prize is more than half that of the top league in that nation. For example, in England, the FA Cup winner prize (counting winnings from all rounds) is a mere 20% of the Premier league winner's prize.

I would suggest increasing all league prizes by a factor of 1.5, so current prize table

would become

League prizes should be increased across the board in part to counteract increased wages with new transfer system as well as the inflation in transfer fees over the past few seasons that the new transfer system is probably designed to curtail. Prizes haven't changed since season 1, after all.
I still would think that national cup prize be reduced somewhat, but even if it remains (the same as top level winner) it would be better than current system where cup prize is higher.

Finally, Ruta is right, there is no home advantage in cup matches regardless where they are played. The point is only to increase the value of reaching the final given reduced prize money. I would also suggest that semifinals be played in national stadium to increase the value of making that far (even if only to lose), though it may seem unrealistic for two matches to happen simultaneously in the same stadium...

gabrielis · « **Reply #5 on:** October 12, 2012, 09:38:45 PM »

Quote from: Brian Clough on October 12, 2012, 08:40:17 PM

Quote from: gabrielis on October 12, 2012, 10:54:05 AM
why 2 solves 1?there is nothing to solve. Playing in cup is much harder than in league, you can lose anytime, so you have to use mots and best players. cup winner should be well rewarded. i agree with 2 only because home team has advantage. in neutral stadium there would be no home advantage

First, How is playing 5 or 8 or even 14 matches in national cup harder than playing 30 in league? I don't get it. More matches = harder. The point of national cups is to give lower clubs a chance to win silverware and prizes. If the national cup prize is significantly greater than the top level league winner's prize then those top teams will prioritize the cup over the league, when it should be the other way around, IMO. I would challenge you to find one national cup competition in the RW whose prize is more than half that of the top league in that nation. For example, in England, the FA Cup winner prize (counting winnings from all rounds) is a mere 20% of the Premier league winner's prize.

I would suggest increasing all league prizes by a factor of 1.5, so current prize table

would become

League prizes should be increased across the board in part to counteract increased wages with new transfer system as well as the inflation in transfer fees over the past few seasons that the new transfer system is probably designed to curtail. Prizes haven't changed since season 1, after all.
I still would think that national cup prize be reduced somewhat, but even if it remains (the same as top level winner) it would be better than current system where cup prize is higher.

Finally, Ruta is right, there is no home advantage in cup matches regardless where they are played. The point is only to increase the value of reaching the final given reduced prize money. I would also suggest that semifinals be played in national stadium to increase the value of making that far (even if only to lose), though it may seem unrealistic for two matches to happen simultaneously in the same stadium...

so thats what all about, you want more money :-) ofc playing cup is harder. In league you can lose some matches and yet, end #1. In cup - 1 lose and you are out of the cup. Any match can be the last one, while in league you can catch up in next 29 matches in you lose 1st one. 1.5mln is a Jack pot so do not lie that you arent doing best you can to get it

And about home advantage, my bad. I red it but forgot.

Brian Clough · « **Reply #6 on:** October 13, 2012, 06:02:13 AM »

Quote from: gabrielis on October 12, 2012, 09:38:45 PM

so thats what all about, you want more money :-) ofc playing cup is harder. In league you can lose some matches and yet, end #1. In cup - 1 lose and you are out of the cup. Any match can be the last one, while in league you can catch up in next 29 matches in you lose 1st one. 1.5mln is a Jack pot so do not lie that you arent doing best you can to get it

And about home advantage, my bad. I red it but forgot.

I think it was clear that I was only clarifying that I don't ONLY want to see the top level winner's prize increased, but that all league prizes should be increased EQUALLY. If I get relegated, do I get more money? Nope. not at all.

Again,

Quote from: Brian Clough on October 12, 2012, 08:40:17 PM

I would challenge you to find one national cup competition in the RW whose prize is more than half that of the top league in that nation. For example, in England, the FA Cup winner prize (counting winnings from all rounds) is a mere 20% of the Premier league winner's prize.

If the cup is so much harder, as you say, then why is it not this way in the RW? Clearly everyone else things differently, my friend.

gabrielis · « **Reply #7 on:** October 13, 2012, 07:41:51 AM »

Quote from: Brian Clough on October 13, 2012, 06:02:13 AM

Quote from: gabrielis on October 12, 2012, 09:38:45 PM

so thats what all about, you want more money :-) ofc playing cup is harder. In league you can lose some matches and yet, end #1. In cup - 1 lose and you are out of the cup. Any match can be the last one, while in league you can catch up in next 29 matches in you lose 1st one. 1.5mln is a Jack pot so do not lie that you arent doing best you can to get it

And about home advantage, my bad. I red it but forgot.

why do you accuse me of lying about something? It makes no sense.
$:-\$
I think it was clear that I was only clarifying that I don't ONLY want to see the top level winner's prize increased, but that all league prizes should be increased EQUALLY. If I get relegated, do I get more money? Nope. not at all.

Again,
Quote from: Brian Clough on October 12, 2012, 08:40:17 PM
I would challenge you to find one national cup competition in the RW whose prize is more than half that of the top league in that nation. For example, in England, the FA Cup winner prize (counting winnings from all rounds) is a mere 20% of the Premier league winner's prize.
If the cup is so much harder, as you say, then why is it not this way in the RW? Clearly everyone else things differently, my friend.

im not accusing you mate, that was only an expression. Yes, you would get more money, any of us would. You were saying that playing in cup is easer than in league and i disagree

Ruta · « **Reply #8 on:** October 13, 2012, 07:48:22 AM »

Quote from: Brian Clough on October 12, 2012, 08:40:17 PM

If the cup is so much harder, as you say, then why is it not this way in the RW? Clearly everyone else things differently, my friend.

In RW everything is about the money. Teams from lower division aren't so attractive for sponsors and TV so prizes are less for winning at cup.
This is for me main point why in GKO should be diffrent. In game everyone plays for himself , not for supporters , not for hometown or country, not for sponsors or TV commercials. Here we have not politicy , also So we don't need to makes difficulty for teams from lower divisions.

But I agree that prizes should change somedays. Salaries are growing very fast , club ranking is limited to 10000 so cash income from tickets are limited, too I can imagine when my team reach limits in income and I can't pay wage which everyone player wants. IMHO with present limits of income won't be possible to have 11 players with CA =15 or even 14

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