Author Topic: [suggestion]League/Cup prizes should reflect the competitiveness of their nation (Read 12248 times)

Brian Clough · « **Reply #25 on:** September 15, 2011, 05:10:41 AM »

This brings us full circle to a suggestion I made in a previous post where I proposed:

Quote from: Champione on August 28, 2011, 04:26:26 AM

...Another, possibly better, idea would be to not stick a new team in a league right away, but make the whole game start in the scenario that you are a semi-pro manager with some decent players, in a semi-pro league on the verge of "going pro". After some period of consistent activity (at least one login per week/2 matches for a month or two) the team can join a league (at the beginning of the season for all teams). This would concentrate the bot teams in the semi-pro leagues, and minimize the number of leagues each country has. with a more realistic 3 teams relegated/promoted each season from the top two levels. Active teams already in leagues would not have to do this. I don't think this would be any less attractive to new users, since they would get to do all the things a league team does, except win prize money (since no team should be there long enough to do so anyway) or make upgrades to club facilities. Being semi-pro, all players salaries could be reduced by up to 1000 G/wk, making low-priced players free while in the semi-pros. This would help the club's bottom line once they join a league, which will help their initial competitiveness.

With some talk on other threads about "youth leagues", I wonder if league teams with enough youngsters could enter their youth team in such a league as well. 2 problems solved at once! Admin liked the above suggestion...hope it comes to fruition.

gabrielis · « **Reply #26 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:26:41 AM »

Stop inventing a bike. So far it was all ok with this game, but with such ideas.. Newbie level would mean 1 more extra season to get to top level. even now we can't fill all leagues. so after admins will reduce profits nobody will bother spending usless seasons for a couple G while others will get milions. Cant this be a normal managment game without tons of leagues and equal rights

Edit: writing mistakes

Kr10s · « **Reply #27 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:51:25 AM »

Quote from: gabrielis on September 15, 2011, 10:26:41 AM

so after admins will reduce profits nobody will bother spending usless seasons for a couple G while others will get milions.

QFT - Current profit scheme is a total pain...... if i'd follow current scheme i'd get about 1.600.000 income (league prizes included), you can't do nothing decent with that money..... you don't have other options than serching a way to get more.

Keep complaining people buy and sell players later..........

EDIT: Writed too fast, too many errors

gabrielis · « **Reply #28 on:** September 15, 2011, 11:25:20 AM »

Quote from: CarlosT on September 15, 2011, 10:51:25 AM

Quote from: gabrielis on September 15, 2011, 10:26:41 AM
so after admins will reduce profits nobody will bother spending usless seasons for a couple G while others will get milions.

QFT - Current profit scheme is a total pain...... if i'd follow current scheme i'd ge about 1.600.000 income (league prizes included), you can't do nothing decent with that money..... you don't have oter options than serching a way to get more.

Keep complaining people buy and sell players later..........

indeed. i can't imagine how managers will survive when they will get 100k G after winning top league

Ruta · « **Reply #29 on:** September 15, 2011, 11:29:48 AM »

Solution is simple. GM must put together all active teams. Fill Top Level first, next B level and so on. We've talking about so many times and nothing happened

!!!!!

PS. of course , prizes must be the same for all countries

gabrielis · « **Reply #30 on:** September 15, 2011, 12:43:24 PM »

Quote from: Ruta on September 15, 2011, 11:29:48 AM

Solution is simple. GM must put together all active teams. Fill Top Level first, next B level and so on. We've talking about so many times and nothing happened !!!!!

PS. of course , prizes must be the same for all countries

good point

Brian Clough · « **Reply #31 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:27:40 PM »

Quote from: gabrielis on September 15, 2011, 10:26:41 AM

Stop inventing a bike. So far it was all ok with this game, but with such ideas.. Newbie level would mean 1 more extra season to get to top level. even now we can't fill all leagues. so after admins will reduce profits nobody will bother spending usless seasons for a couple G while others will get milions. Cant this be a normal managment game without tons of leagues and equal rights

Edit: writing mistakes

@gabriellis: In the end, I only made this proposal as an alternative to assigning nation status by IP address. My nation is a prime target for foreign players. I looked at the Lithuanian league and all the team names at least sounded like they were Lithuanian. I'd guess that nations with 4+ levels like Argentina, England, etc. are much less of a target, too. We've got several Thai managers in our B leagues, one (see http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=112169) won the cup last year, is currently set to be promoted into the top league next season, and, worst of all, managed to get elected National Manager!

How would you feel about a Thai user managing the Lithuanian national team?

Etienne · « **Reply #32 on:** September 15, 2011, 11:00:25 PM »

Quote from: Ruta on September 15, 2011, 11:29:48 AM

Solution is simple. GM must put together all active teams. Fill Top Level first, next B level and so on. We've talking about so many times and nothing happened !!!!!

PS. of course , prizes must be the same for all countries

I fully agree with you.

gabrielis · « **Reply #33 on:** September 16, 2011, 06:23:35 AM »

Quote from: Champione on September 15, 2011, 10:27:40 PM

Quote from: gabrielis on September 15, 2011, 10:26:41 AM
Stop inventing a bike. So far it was all ok with this game, but with such ideas.. Newbie level would mean 1 more extra season to get to top level. even now we can't fill all leagues. so after admins will reduce profits nobody will bother spending usless seasons for a couple G while others will get milions. Cant this be a normal managment game without tons of leagues and equal rights

Edit: writing mistakes

@gabriellis: In the end, I only made this proposal as an alternative to assigning nation status by IP address. My nation is a prime target for foreign players. I looked at the Lithuanian league and all the team names at least sounded like they were Lithuanian. I'd guess that nations with 4+ levels like Argentina, England, etc. are much less of a target, too. We've got several Thai managers in our B leagues, one (see http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=112169) won the cup last year, is currently set to be promoted into the top league next season, and, worst of all, managed to get elected National Manager! How would you feel about a Thai user managing the Lithuanian national team?

its not about my league. I argue coz anywhere else only those who pay has some advantages.Now half managers, even not very active, will get more money than some more active managers from smaller leagues

Brian Clough · « **Reply #34 on:** September 16, 2011, 10:30:04 PM »

I'm just saying that you'd probably be annoyed if a Foreign user was climbing to the top of your league, had stolen the cup prize from honest players and landed the national manager position, too. I even want last season's runner-up to get the extra 750,000 G even though the team is my biggest rival right now.

In the end, I really just want to just keep everyone in their rightful leagues, rather than having different prices for different-sized leagues. Not only is this unfair to other users, it is Like you I am in a smaller league and would stand to lose something as well. I only support this option if admin is unable or unwilling to assign national status by IP address, or at least strip these users of their teams & money when reported. It wouldn't keep players in "big league" nations from joining smaller foreign leagues, but it would take away the advantage they would get by doing it. I have reported this player to admin; I'll be interested to see how they handle it.

intervention · « **Reply #35 on:** September 19, 2011, 10:12:07 PM »

Quote from: Ruta on September 15, 2011, 11:29:48 AM

Solution is simple. GM must put together all active teams. Fill Top Level first, next B level and so on. We've talking about so many times and nothing happened !!!!!

PS. of course , prizes must be the same for all countries

Just for kicks i went through my top league (England)

Here are the findings.... 3 active managers.... 3 bots.... 24 inactive managers!!

This is the point that concerns me and highlights the point of new players starting at the bottom... there are managers that joined GKO after me that are in the English top league (not just one!!), specificaly... one manager joined two months after me and started in the top division!! They are in the top division.... i am in the bottom division

It does sting a bit lol

Etienne · « **Reply #36 on:** September 20, 2011, 01:07:40 AM »

There is a chance that it would be solved at the end of this season

gabrielis · « **Reply #37 on:** September 20, 2011, 02:03:56 PM »

Quote from: Champione on September 16, 2011, 10:30:04 PM

I'm just saying that you'd probably be annoyed if a Foreign user was climbing to the top of your league, had stolen the cup prize from honest players and landed the national manager position, too. I even want last season's runner-up to get the extra 750,000 G even though the team is my biggest rival right now.

In the end, I really just want to just keep everyone in their rightful leagues, rather than having different prices for different-sized leagues. Not only is this unfair to other users, it is Like you I am in a smaller league and would stand to lose something as well. I only support this option if admin is unable or unwilling to assign national status by IP address, or at least strip these users of their teams & money when reported. It wouldn't keep players in "big league" nations from joining smaller foreign leagues, but it would take away the advantage they would get by doing it. I have reported this player to admin; I'll be interested to see how they handle it.

so instead you want to reduce income, make ppl don't join smaller leagues wich will make them even weaker and admin will have to reduce income again.what will stop ppl from leaving their native leagues and joining bigger ones to be able to earn as much as others does?now others are joining leagues to get money, same will be after admins will reduce income, only difference will be that this change will kill small leagues wich was silly to make so many of them.

We need to merge leagues, not force managers to leave this game due to unfaireness

Etienne · « **Reply #38 on:** September 20, 2011, 02:12:46 PM »

another argument about restricting team location by IP is simply the community : it's very pleasant to have some rivals with which you can discuss and even taunt

, but if your league is fullfilled by foreigners, you completely lose this community aspect.
There are many tools in the game for the community, like chat, forum and so on, and letting users playing in the league they want is just a waste regarding this aspect, imho.

I hope the admins will be able to regroup all activ users together and restrict team location by IP.