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What club(s) do you support?
« on: March 12, 2013, 03:52:21 AM »
I realized that no one has ever posted this topic with an open-ended question. Always it hass been a poll with just a few choices (the biggest clubs of course) or limited to a single league (EPL)...so let us know who you support!

...and please, don't tell us you are a life-long Man City, Chelsea, or PSG fan...even if you have  ::) nobody will believe you :P


Sadly, there are NO professional football clubs in my country  :( so I have had to look elsewhere for inspiration. I think I have a favorite club in most nations, but I mainly support 3 clubs:

1) Swansea City AFC...I became a member of the SC supporter's trust 15 years ago and will support the swans forever! ♥ Monk  ♥ Siggy ♥ Wiliams ♥ and a special cheers to Roberto Martinez..the man who started it all!



2) Celtic FC...my Bhoys!!! Mon the hoops!


3) FC St. Pauli...how can you not love the boys in brown? There's just something special about them...

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Re: What club(s) do you support?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2013, 10:21:50 PM »
There's three clubs for me. Two tiny clubs, one massive club:


Aston Villa is my lifelong team. My entire family supports them. I live a few miles from Villa Park.
One of my fondest memories is watching the Villa win the League Cup in 1996.


Greenock Morton in the Scottish First Division. My second, much smaller, club. No reason other than family with this one.


Sutton Coldfield Town. Even smaller club than the second, as they're not professional. They play in England's Northern Premier League First Division South - seven divisions below the Premier League. This is my hometown club.

Sadly, there are NO professional football clubs in my country  :(

Wha-? I had you down as being from the USA. Where are you from?

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Re: What club(s) do you support?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2013, 03:05:12 AM »
Wha-? I had you down as being from the USA. Where are you from?

I am from the USA. To answer your question, we should start by asking "what is a football club?"
1) it is a legal entity
2) it is the team, players, and management
3) it is the name
4) it is the place where it plays
5) it is all the other parts -fans, employees, and other community stakeholders

Now in the USA we have the franchise system. I would argue that MLS franchises are categorically different from independent clubs. Here's why:

-Lack of legal independence. Major League Soccer is technically not an association of franchises but a single business entity, though each team has an owner-operator; the team owners are actually shareholders in the league. The league, not the individual teams, contracts with the players!  MLS even followed its own playing rules until 2004, when it finally adopted FIFA rules. No.1 fail. No. 2 fail.

-No organic community. Most football clubs in Europe were formed either as works teams, or around local churches and neighborhoods. When the MLS was formed in 1993, the US had many semi-pro clubs with long histories, but instead of working with that and building organically, from the bottom up, the MLS decided build from the top down. This really hurt those clubs that had built those long histories, as many fans defected to the new MLS team. Furthermore without promotion/relegation, there is zero chance of these "organic" clubs from ever reaching the top tiers of USA football. Sir Alex Ferguson once said the end of relegation in the EPL would be suicide for lower division clubs. I think it’s fair to say the lack of relegation in MLS hurts ours. One might argue that the monopolization of entire regions actually works to build "community" but it is an artificial one. These aren't people who live within walking distance from one another or who work in the same industry. There goes no. 5.....

-No local derbies Similar in some respects to the above reason, but I can't emphasize the importance of local derbies to the cultural life of a football club. By your selections, I take it you are a Brummie. A fair comparison to the MLS would be if FC Birmingham City  were the only pro team in your area (sorry, Aston Villa were too late and were never created lol), and the nearest competitors were two teams, one in London and the other in Newcastle. This is comparable to the distances between NY Red Bull Arena and those of the Philadelphia Union and New England Revolution, their nearest competitors.  For me it's far worse, the nearest pro team with more than 1 year of history is probably DC United, who play their home matches 700 miles from where I live. In fact, I think the nearest such team to me might in fact be located in Havana, Cuba a mere 600 miles away. Aside from one or two oddities, the only local rivalries in North America are among college and university sports teams. Sadly even that eludes me here in Georgia. Where I live there is a 92,000 capacity stadium for the University handegg (erm, American football) team. Yet the University of Georgia does not have a mens football (erm soccer) team. The nearest men's college team is almost 2 hours from me (Georgia Tech). The nearest team it plays on a regular basis is 125 miles away.

-No security. At any moment, the "decision makers" can decide to uproot a team from its locale. This is an issue currently facing DC United despite their modest fan base and history. If anything close to what happened to FC Rangers last year happened to a MLS franchise, it wouldn't rebuild, it would just relocate, probably changing its name in the process. There goes nos.  3 and 4. Furthermore, as we have seen in the WPS (Womens Professional Soccer) league, mismanagement of one team in a franchise system can literally cause the destruction of the entire league!

What really matters to me when it comes to putting my support behind a team are these things I listed above. If one's definition of a 'football club' and sense of belonging to it is so weak and flimsy as to put up with changes of location, name, company, fans and anything else that actually does define a 'football club', then said person never was a 'fan' in the first place, they were just a customer for whatever was easiest to follow at any particular point.

My mother was born in Wales  and my Father in Scotland and these days I really feel I have more in common with my comrades in Swansea, Glasgow and Hamburg than I do here. At this point I find myself living just to make money to take trips to Europe. I hope to be making the move permanently within the next few years. Maybe one day we can have a pint after an upcoming Swansea-Villa match...that is if we're both in the same league by then....
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Re: What club(s) do you support?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2013, 09:22:37 AM »
Brian, you posted an elaborated article. Though it is difficult to understand by me----a poor English speakers, it is very good. It seems that you are a real soccer fan.   Lol!  I am a customer, but support club: Arsenal, coach:Arsène Wenger,José Mario dos Santos Mourinho Felix :P

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Re: What club(s) do you support?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2013, 07:39:42 PM »
Brian, you posted an elaborated article. Though it is difficult to understand by me----a poor English speakers, it is very good. It seems that you are a real soccer fan.   Lol!  I am a customer, but support club: Arsenal, coach:Arsène Wenger,José Mario dos Santos Mourinho Felix :P

I don't think we should try to distinguish so much between "real" and "not real" fans, but between real clubs and franchises. Anyone who loves the beautiful game is a real fan!

...and you are probably less a "customer" than you say...would you still support the club if they decided to move it to another part of London and call themselves "the Jets"?
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2013, 01:44:30 AM »
I get you now. I had assumed 'professional' in the way that the players were all professional. (Just like what I said about Sutton Coldfield Town; the players are part-timers.)

You do of course make very good points. Everything you mentioned about 'organic' clubs and community can be directly linked to when Wimbledon FC were relocated to Milton Keynes.

You can also link it to what's happening at Cardiff City: Its Malaysian owner has changed the club's kit from blue to red, changed the club crest to include the Welsh dragon and practically strip the club of any real identity from the 'Bluebirds' they were just twelve months ago.
Lots of fans have been vocal and angry with the changes, because Cardiff have worn blue for decades and always been 'Bluebirds'. Because the identity isn't just about the name; it's also the kit colour.

Fans of clubs that have had kit colours and names for 100+ years believe those should never change. Aston Villa have always been called as such since they formed in 1874, and adopted the claret and blue colours in 1887. The name and kit is now embedded in Villa's history and the fans never want to see them change.
Some local politician one time said Aston Villa should change their name to include 'Birmingham' (e.g. Aston Villa Birmingham), this was met with much derision from the Villa fans for reasons such as identity and tradition. (Link to news article)


And to put something in perspective: Football clubs 700 miles away from me are in the Netherlands (Ajax, ADO Den Haag and Feyenoord.)

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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2013, 03:01:37 AM »
I get you now. I had assumed 'professional' in the way that the players were all professional. (Just like what I said about Sutton Coldfield Town; the players are part-timers.)

You do of course make very good points. Everything you mentioned about 'organic' clubs and community can be directly linked to when Wimbledon FC were relocated to Milton Keynes.

You can also link it to what's happening at Cardiff City: Its Malaysian owner has changed the club's kit from blue to red, changed the club crest to include the Welsh dragon and practically strip the club of any real identity from the 'Bluebirds' they were just twelve months ago.
Lots of fans have been vocal and angry with the changes, because Cardiff have worn blue for decades and always been 'Bluebirds'. Because the identity isn't just about the name; it's also the kit colour.

Fans of clubs that have had kit colours and names for 100+ years believe those should never change. Aston Villa have always been called as such since they formed in 1874, and adopted the claret and blue colours in 1887. The name and kit is now embedded in Villa's history and the fans never want to see them change.
Some local politician one time said Aston Villa should change their name to include 'Birmingham' (e.g. Aston Villa Birmingham), this was met with much derision from the Villa fans for reasons such as identity and tradition. (Link to news article)


And to put something in perspective: Football clubs 700 miles away from me are in the Netherlands (Ajax, ADO Den Haag and Feyenoord.)
I have read the article which was posted on BirminghamMail. I can accept the idea of name changing, which may be the difference of customer and real fan. Many clubs will change name when they have new naming sponsor or new owner.

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2013, 01:45:23 AM »
But changing the club name to a sponsor is NOT something fans of clubs will go for.

For Arsenal to have a sponsorship name at a stadium that was built only a few years ago can be accepted: They need some way to bring money in, because building a stadium as big as that is bloody expensive!

But if Arsenal decided to change their name for sponsorship reasons, the fans would hate it even if it were to bring in millions and millions to the club.

A new owner will most likely respect a club's tradition and history when they buy the club. But they might do what Red Bull did to Austria Salzburg (now called 'Red Bull Salzburg') and completely strip the club of what it was before.

However, if Arsenal decided to change their name to associate themselves with the area they're based in, for instance 'Highbury Arsenal', then it might be received better by fans. (In fact, Greenock Morton added the 'Greenock' part to the name less than 20 years ago; they were known as just 'Morton' for 120 years before then.)

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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2013, 06:39:54 AM »
Of course, the irony is very thick here, since it is Arsenal we're discussing  :P

but then, Arsenal's 1913 move from Woolwich to Highbury was understandable in retrospect, with nearby Millwall moving into The Den just a few years earlier...and this move out of Greenwich surely also had a profound effect on the intensity that would develop in the rivalry between Millwall and West Ham. The idea of a club sandwiched in between Millwall and West Ham...it's madness!! lol







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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2013, 07:42:29 AM »
Barcelona. They have a good team spirit and I am big fan of Messi.

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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2013, 07:47:15 AM »
Me too...i am also a big fan of messi..they rocks,,,thanx

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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2013, 06:41:46 AM »
FC St. Pauli.. My lifetime favourite team.  :D

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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2014, 07:08:40 AM »
This really hurt those clubs that had built those long histories, as many fans defected to the new MLS team. Furthermore without promotion/relegation, there is zero chance of these "organic" clubs from ever reaching the top tiers of USA football.
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2014, 07:58:46 PM »
Aberdeen. Come on you Reds/Dons

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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2014, 06:58:59 AM »
This really hurt those clubs that had built those long histories, as many fans defected to the new MLS team. Furthermore without promotion/relegation, there is zero chance of these "organic" clubs from ever reaching the top tiers of USA football.

too true. Yet the MLS has not been able to outperform homegrown teams in Continental football
Notably, the New York Pancyprian-Freedoms have reached the US Open Cup final twice in the MLS era!
The club is also the most successful US team in CONCACAF, having reached the semi-finals in 1984. They may have even won the trophy but for complications in arranging matches with the other semifinalist. No other American team has even reached the quarterfinals in a proper competition. Three MLS teams did reach the finals in the late 90s, but these used a "host nation" format that allowed them to play without ever facing their opponents on foreign soil. :))


Barcelona. They have a good team spirit and I am big fan of Messi.


Barca were awesome back in the days when there were truly "more than a club"...too bad those days are long gone: http://supportersnotcustomers.com/2014/01/30/how-barcelona-became-just-a-club/
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FK Loznica ,same as my club name hehe :) and ofc great HULL CITY. I support Hull since season 2002/2003 and when they played in then divison 2,now League Two,i watched almost every game they play on KFC stadium,active on their forum and hope one day i will visit KFC staidum and Kingston upon Hull :)) Go tigers,fan are proud on ur campaign in last 12 years! :))

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