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Re: ADMIN, Youth Camp
« Reply #150 on: September 19, 2013, 07:48:49 AM »
Agree, I see Error got 3 LA 10 from Germany, Brazil and Argentina . He invested about 5-6 mln in each country. So he go three CA 1 player and PR 4. They need 4-5 seasons training in first team . He can't do this. IMHO he wasted his money. Yesterday 2/11/4 form YC was sold for 2,89 only!!! http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6817446

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IMHO,YC are for teams in lower divisions , who cant farm those rookies. Or teams in small country without any competitions
wow, great price for buyer
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« Reply #151 on: September 19, 2013, 07:51:05 AM »
Agree, I see Error got 3 LA 10 from Germany, Brazil and Argentina . He invested about 5-6 mln in each country. So he go three CA 1 player and PR 4. They need 4-5 seasons training in first team . He can't do this. IMHO he wasted his money. Yesterday 2/11/4 form YC was sold for 2,89 only!!! http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6817446

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IMHO,YC are for teams in lower divisions , who cant farm those rookies. Or teams in small country without any competitions
wow, great price for buyer
really? anymore wanted him:P It is very hard to train CA 1-2 players with PR 4
edit. not LA but CA
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« Reply #152 on: September 19, 2013, 07:53:48 AM »
Agree, I see Error got 3 LA 10 from Germany, Brazil and Argentina . He invested about 5-6 mln in each country. So he go three CA 1 player and PR 4. They need 4-5 seasons training in first team . He can't do this. IMHO he wasted his money. Yesterday 2/11/4 form YC was sold for 2,89 only!!! http://www.gokickoff.com/team_player_detail.php?player_id=6817446

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IMHO,YC are for teams in lower divisions , who cant farm those rookies. Or teams in small country without any competitions
wow, great price for buyer
really? anymore wanted him:P It is very hard to train CA 1-2 players with PR 4
edit. not LA but CA
personally I had bought the player if I known about him
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« Reply #153 on: September 19, 2013, 09:31:03 AM »
Is it me or most LA10 players are pulled from youth camp? I haven't seen all countries youth, but at least in Argentina top LA players list, LA10 players are rarely from academy, most of then are from camps...
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« Reply #154 on: September 19, 2013, 09:57:10 AM »
Is it me or most LA10 players are pulled from youth camp? I haven't seen all countries youth, but at least in Argentina top LA players list, LA10 players are rarely from academy, most of then are from camps...
In Argentina maybe, cause you have just few best academies. In Poland we have 7 LA 10+ players this season. In total there is more LA 10+ players form academies then Youth Camps, IMHO


Add 1. Players form academies are many times better than those form YC cause they are at CA 3 or 4  from the beginning.
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« Reply #155 on: September 19, 2013, 10:24:39 AM »
Argentina is a top investments country at youth camps lottery,so most of LA 10 comes from there...Poland is a country with low investmenst in youth camps and with many the best academies...but i'm pretty sure that the number of LA 10 players from youth camps is bigger than LA 10 from academies and also PR for players from academies was reduced,most of them was this season with PR 3,only some of them with PR 4 and very rarely with PR 5...witch is pretty unfair and unbalanced in my opinion  :(
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« Reply #156 on: September 19, 2013, 01:38:47 PM »
Fiji,1520k,1/6/4,what great news
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« Reply #157 on: September 20, 2013, 02:32:12 PM »
Fiji,1520k,1/6/4,what great news
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Re: ADMIN, Youth Camp
« Reply #158 on: September 26, 2013, 01:37:39 AM »
While the lure of high LA players from youth camp might seem attractive, I have come to the conclusion it is an illusion...for most of us a 1/7/4 youth camp player is just about as good as a 1/11/4 youth camper, and a 3/7/3 academy promotion might be be better than either.

This is because there just isn't enough time to bring these players up to their LA before the PR drops out. CA1-3 players will be hard to get any match time outside of friendlies or custom cups. Even with good quality facilities and coaches, I can't see a high LA youth camp player achieving better than CA7-8 by age 21 (under 5 seasons) after which his PR is reduced to 2 and then down to 1 by age 23. Let's compare four hypothetical players - two from youth camps with LA7 and LA11 and two 3/7/3 players from academies, one aged 15 when promoted, the other age 17. Here it is assumed players below CA5 get little, if any time in competitive matches but are used in most friendlies, while those above CA5 are used extensively, played in most competitive matches and some friendlies:

             Youth Camp            Academy
Age    1/7/4     1/11/4     3/7/3     3/7/3
15                                      3
16                                      4
17         1            1             5           3
18         2            2             7           5
19         3            3             7           7
20         5            5             8           7
21         7            7             8           8
22         8            8             9           8
23         8            9             9           9
24         9            9             10         9
25         9            10           10         10
26         10          10           11         10
27         10          11           11         11
28         11          11           12         11
 
Amazingly, the 3/7/3 promoted at age 15 from academy reaches CA9 first, and can reach CA12 by age 28!!! By age 23 both academy players have achieved CA9 but only the LA11 youth camp player will have done this! Of course the rate of CA increase could be increased by playing them in competitive matches much earlier (CA1-4), but there is a limit of how many players can be used this way and doing so would surely hurt the team's competitiveness. The earliest a youth camp player could reach CA11 is at age 23 I think, only 3 seasons ahead of the 15y 3/7/3 academy player...and representing at least 2 seasons where the player must be used in competitive matches despite poor quality.
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Re: ADMIN, Youth Camp
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« Reply #160 on: September 26, 2013, 07:35:49 AM »
Nice analyze , Brian :) . It is absolutely true that CA 1 players are hard to develop and there is almost impossible to train them in league games by majority of users. So for me is clear that youth camps system is for users from lower leagues or them who can sacrifice present results for future goals.

I have some different look at this table. Lets look for best coach (700k) and very good training facilities.

             Youth Camp            Academy
Age    1/7/4     1/11/4     3/7/3     3/7/3
15                                      3
16                                      4
17         1            1             5           3
18         2            2             7           5
19         3            3             7           7
20         5            5             8           7
21         7            7             8           8
22         8            8             9           8
23         8            9             9           9
24         9            9             10         9
25         9            10           10         10
26         10          10           11         10
27         10          11           11         11
28         11          11           12         11
 
 
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Re: ADMIN, Youth Camp
« Reply #161 on: September 26, 2013, 08:04:35 AM »
my point was that even after 3 seasons, with so many matches, the player was still 7/7/4, not that he got to CA7 fast.

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« Reply #162 on: September 26, 2013, 08:21:32 AM »
Ok, my bad. I misunderstood you. So we both agree that after block in LA it takes more then 2 seasons when player gets one more in CA. Do we? IMHO it is rather 4 but to my prediction above I took 3 cuase I don' want to be far then Brian's 2.
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« Reply #163 on: September 26, 2013, 08:56:37 AM »
Yes. It is the point.

Young from YC are amost impossibile to train properly.

I received a 1/6/4 in the first time last season and he played all league matches even if too weak for be a competitive player in the italian C league (with almost half of the that are BOTS) and I had hard times with him in the defensive lines. This season he's playing all friendly and custom cup and now he's still 2/6/4.

Actually I am using a player I had at the begininning of this season from accademy and he's yet CA 3. He's 3/5/3. One day the YC's one will be stronger. Yes but one day.

It needs too much time for having an interesting player from YC.
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« Reply #164 on: September 26, 2013, 10:37:38 AM »
Yeah, I agree that new youth players overall skills should be boosted a little bit..
I got a decent player this season but his CA is like 0.5, literally all of his skills <6 LOL

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« Reply #165 on: September 26, 2013, 10:48:58 AM »
Yeah, I agree that new youth players overall skills should be boosted a little bit.
I got a decent player this season but his CA is like 0.5, literally all of his skills <6 LOL
I don't know why players from YC should be better? And why those from academies not? Or maybe let give everyone LA 10 now? :)

Maybe they should younger only cause CA 1 is hard to train.
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« Reply #166 on: September 26, 2013, 11:04:12 AM »
Maybe they should younger only cause CA 1 is hard to train.

If they would be  16 years old, they might be far more attractive.
You would have an extra season to train him (with a faster improvement than 17 years old) and they might be useful at age 19.

Such a minimal change might make camps more attractive to bigger teams.

Until then, big teams can't find them attractive. It's a lot easier searching for a higher CA player, playing in a specific position and a convenient injury prone level.

Farm a 17yo player, 1/11/4, injury prone easy? No thank you....
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« Reply #167 on: November 08, 2013, 05:08:41 PM »
How about the youth players that come later in the season are 16 y/o ? The ones that come early are fine to stay 17 since you have 80% of the season to train them but the others you pretty much get them at 18 since season is like over?

Or at least players taken later should have higher CA, otherwise youth camps arent worth it.
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