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General Category => Suggestions/Bugs => Topic started by: dragon90 on September 04, 2011, 05:18:56 PM
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Hi mates!
Today i want to suggest a nice proposal about the development of a new international competition.
All we know WCL is a great innovation, but only 3 teams for each nation can join the cup.
So I'm proposing to create a new international league to involve the 4th, 5th and 6th team of the top level (or the national cup winner), it could be helpful to get international experience, good collections and entertainment.
I mean to let coexist the two international leagues, like in real life happens with "AFC Cup" and "Asian Champions League" for my asian friend, "Copa Libertadores" and "Copa Nissan" for my south american mates and "Champions League" and "Europa League" for europeans.
The objective is to help the medium clubs of Top Level to grow up, contributing at the national improvement, untill the reach the big teams of that nation.
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I think it's a good idea, surely I'm supporting you!
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I think it's a good idea, surely I'm supporting you!
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It's a good idea, already purpose in other posts :(
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Good idea, I wonder if the 3rd place teams from the WCL group stage could automatically qualify for such a league's knockout round, like so often happens in TRW?
Meanwhile, this naturally opens the door for a World Supercup, too.
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Meanwhile, this naturally opens the door for a World Supercup, too.
Yes!
I'm anxious to know what will be the admin's response.
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Oh great idea jmcconn... I'm just qualify like 3th place in WCL round!!!!! :)
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Nice idea. I will discuss it with my team.
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Nice idea. I will discuss it with my team.
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It would be great!
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What I am suggesting is something like Europe League, we got CL already but its only for the teams from Top Level so people from lower leagues gotta just stick to league and cup matches and ofc friendlies if they like to.
Basically here is how it goes, first 2 players from Top Level qualify for CL, 3rd and 4th from Top Level qualify for this new league (or just the 3rd, its optional), also the cup winner gets the privilege to join in the new league (if he has already qualified for CL and gets disqualified he can continue playing in the new league and the current stage it is at as well as all the other clubs that have lost their CL matches). Also all 1st and 2nd clubs from the rest of the leagues can qualify to this new league by playing matches etc.
I think its not a bad idea and the amount of matches is same for everybody at a time, while some clubs are playing in CL others are in the new league, havent figured out a name for it yet tho :p
P.S. I havent searched whether it has been suggested already so sorry if it was. ;)
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Cup winners, who aren't top teams always, also can play in wcl. i don't think one more competition is needed
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Lower league teams can manage with one more competition at least, cut the suggestion just to the part where 1st and 2nd from each league (above Top Level) can participate in some kinda other event. Currently the amount of matches for clubs out of CL is low so we gotta think of smth.
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Cup winners, who aren't top teams always, also can play in wcl. i don't think one more competition is needed
This is only true for 19% of all nations (40 out of 208), which means there are 168 countries (mine included) that only get one club representative in the WCL.
In my biased opinion, I like the idea of a second competition. It would be particularly appealing if the WCL were to become a more "elite" competition, comprised of fewer teams just from the top ~50 nations. It could operate more like real Champions leagues, complete with small groups and proper 2 game aggregate matches in the knockout rounds and the final held in the world's largest stadium after the national leagues/cups are over.
A second league would then function more like the existing WCL with several qualification rounds, larger groups and single-match knockout rounds except that every nation would get to enter 2 teams and it could be made to accept losing teams from WCL stages (except knockout). It could be the "Ligue �galitaire" (egaliltarian league) in contrast with an "elite" WCL, but with similar prizes. :-\
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Cup winners, who aren't top teams always, also can play in wcl. i don't think one more competition is needed
This is only true for 19% of all nations (40 out of 208), which means there are 168 countries (mine included) that only get one club representative in the WCL.
A number that might be increased if you could've reached group stage, and you could've get some points there...... i know, you lost againt a team that used mots, but you could've used it too, the match was very important after all........
To be honest, i don't like that "regional lower level cup", but i like the chance to add some extra international competition. Or even more, some continental cup and WCC at the end of season, facing only each continent's top teams.
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Cup winners, who aren't top teams always, also can play in wcl. i don't think one more competition is needed
This is only true for 19% of all nations (40 out of 208), which means there are 168 countries (mine included) that only get one club representative in the WCL.
A number that might be increased if you could've reached group stage, and you could've get some points there...... i know, you lost againt a team that used mots, but you could've used it too, the match was very important after all........
To be honest, i don't like that "regional lower level cup", but i like the chance to add some extra international competition. Or even more, some continental cup and WCC at the end of season, facing only each continent's top teams.
couple more milions to a small group of strongest teams?
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You write about mots Carlos, and I would like to think something about mots. I have suffered 5 mots this season and I hope more until the end on the season, however I can use 2 mots, this is really unfair. It's like the big teams must pay a toll for have made a good squad in my opinion.
I understand to Champione if he didn't use that day a mots in WCL's preview 3rd knockout, because it was the begining of the season and probably Champione had biggest expectatives for the season than reach the group stage, perhaps he aspired to win it, however his opponent only wanted to pass to group stage, and there was the difference. In this moment, to use a mots is determinant.
And we can't say that play mots is like in real life because if in real life a big team feels that his small opponent is playing really motivated, inmediately the big team change the 'chip' and win the match. Here, in gko, if your opponent push the mots option, the big team can't do anything except pray.
Yesterday I could lost my first place in the top level league because my yesterday's opponent played a mots, I was lucky because he used his youths for give them more training and I won the match. But that mots was absolutely innecessary for my opponent because the league is finished for him. Also, if I would lost yesterday the match in reason of that mots, my player's morale would be decreased, affecting to WCL's today match, that is very unfair too.
In WCL too, after make a very good group stage six first dates, I was at point of lost my classification because in the 7th and last date, my opponent used again, a new mots. I was lucky again and the team after mine in the table, lost his match too and I got finally the 2nd place.
I think that mots are unfair, at least as they are focused in this moment, the teams that play WCL have less opportunities because they play more matches and they have only 2 mots for three competitions while other teams have the same 2 mots for only league and cup. Another situation is that the teams that play in a low level country can keep their mots for the WCL, as is my case, that's is unfair too in my opinion.
I don't like mots but other users can think that they are necessaries for the game but at least I propose to have the same number of mots by team and by competition. So, if a team join WCL, he should have 2 mots for league, and the same number for cup and the same number for WCL, obviusly the mots for the league are only for that competition, the same in cup or WCL and if you lost in a cup round you lost the not used mots. In this way we all can have the same opportunities and it's most difficult to happen that the best team of a competition is beaten by a lot of mots each season.
I expose my own reasons and I understand the teams that defend the mots, but at least we can make ir most fair.
PD: I'm sorry for speak about mots here, but I think Champione's match was an evident example and It was nice for ilustrate this point of view. Thank you.
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Don't take me wrong Ologga, but i consider that mots should have a penalty (maybe extra condition loss or something like that) and new teams should't receive 2 mots if they start with 15 or less matches left. But blaiming mots is an easy way to blame your mistakes..... if you're strong, nobody can beat you. If a team can beat you using mots, you're not strong enough yet.
This season i already used my 2 mots. In one match i couldn't win (i drew at home 0-0 back then) and i faced the same team yesterday, playing away i beated him 0-4 without using mots....... that's because i increased my squad's strengh and also, i learned from my mistakes.
Mots can give you an advantege? True, but they don't grat you an easy victory, i can give you lots of matches with teams using mots that lost even using mots and having their AAoP in the same level than other team that didn't use his....
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=1936379
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2722543
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=2701500
http://www.gokickoff.com/team_match_detail.php?match_id=1935659
In other words yes..... mots pain be a pain, but it's not an "easy victory" granted, you can beat a team using mots (you must have a better squad, and you have to do things better too).... should they be removed? Probably, not sure about this.
couple more milions to a small group of strongest teams?
Mmmm...... why not? They're in the top after all.
Look i'm one of those that consider that a stong team can be made in any division, you only need to change you focus...... buying players is not the only way to do a strong squad, you know? If you do things right, you'll eventually reach top division, and if you made a strong enough squad, you'll be in a position to fight for something. There're great teams in lower division, waiting for their chance to shine in top division.....
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Don't worry Carlos, I don't take you wrong and I don't want to justify my defeats with the mots. I only say that to suffer 6, 7 mots each season can't be good for the game. If any team want to beat another team, must have better players or good lucky or both. But to play better only pushing a button is not very nice. You can check my champion's match today, really heavy defeat, and unexpected in those numbers of 4:0, but at least, same conditions for both teams with no mots. I accept the 4:0 and must think in the next season.
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I've got your point, and i understand it.... play against 7 mots per season is a bit tough.
I'm not sure if they should be removed, but its use should have a penalty at least (money and extra stamina loss maybe?).
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Your idea is a good possibility, or the one that I have proposed in my first post, something for become the game better for all the teams that play gko.
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Cup winners, who aren't top teams always, also can play in wcl. i don't think one more competition is needed
This is only true for 19% of all nations (40 out of 208), which means there are 168 countries (mine included) that only get one club representative in the WCL.
A number that might be increased if you could've reached group stage, and you could've get some points there...... i know, you lost againt a team that used mots, but you could've used it too, the match was very important after all........
But the number would've only increased for my country at the expense of another; 81% of all nations will still have only one club representative in the WCL. IMO it would be nice to offer every nation's league and cup winners a place in an international competition. It would also be great to have a "proper" elite competition with smaller groups (4 teams) and 2-game aggregate matches in knockout rounds....
@ Ologga: I don't think my example is a good one because a serious bug was involved. Honestly, I don't care that I lost due to a MotS...given the same situation, I would do the same thing (and not use a MotS). What frustrated me was the fact I had set tactics to replace two poor penalty takers with two good ones at 90' which did not happen due to a bug...then I lost on penalties. What a time to find that out!
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But the number would've only increased for my country at the expense of another; 81% of all nations will still have only one club representative in the WCL.
My friend, this is how the world works...... and if you go to reality, it can even get worst..... just look at how many representatives have each continent in FIFA World Cup (speaking about NT) or how many clubs get to the UEFA Champions League, speaking about top clubs.
In any case, its a shame that a country with about 312,842,758 (http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html) people have such a low activity rate here.
In other words, i know, it might sound unfair.... but should be fair that a league with 1/3 active managers that top leagues should receive the same number of places? Considering their league isn't even considered a league with strong teams, compared with other leagues with the same (or less) active users?
Let me give you some info....
Croatia (http://www.gokickoff.com/nation_info.php?nation_id=51) 267 users
Russia (http://www.gokickoff.com/nation_info.php?nation_id=155) 116 users
Norway (http://www.gokickoff.com/nation_info.php?nation_id=140) 84 users
Iceland (http://www.gokickoff.com/nation_info.php?nation_id=87) 23 users
Philippines (http://www.gokickoff.com/nation_info.php?nation_id=148[/url) 64 users
Finland (http://www.gokickoff.com/nation_info.php?nation_id=69) 36 users
Uruguay (http://www.gokickoff.com/nation_info.php?nation_id=199) 137 users
Macedonia (http://www.gokickoff.com/nation_info.php?nation_id=113) 282 users
Even Belgium (http://www.gokickoff.com/nation_info.php?nation_id=20) (63 users) have a Top team in club ranking, but their league hasn't prove to get enough points in WCC to get an extra place, however RSC Arsenal might turn things if they keep going forward, and i believe they have a great chance.
Current league ranking is great IMHO, because it doesn't depend on how many active users a league have, it depends on how strong their teams are. If you're in an unbalanced league you can do a team to get far, but you must do your part too. You blamed Antizidari because he used mots? In the way i look at it, it's not a coincidence that Croatia have 4 places, and thanks to Antizidari's manager decision, his country now have 2 places in group stage, and they only had 1 before......
Do you see my point now?
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I understand that the WCL should be highly competitive, I was merely voicing my support for the original topic:
What I am suggesting is something like Europ[a] League...
Clearly I live in a nation of 312,842,498 idiots ::)
You blamed Antizidari because he used mots? In the way i look at it, it's not a coincidence that Croatia have 4 places, and thanks to Antizidari's manager decision, his country now have 2 places in group stage, and they only had 1 before......
Do you see my point now?
To be clear: I don't blame Antizidari for using a MotS...I do blame the game bug that did not allow me to make my substitutions that could have changed the outcome of the match. Using the MotS was clearly was a wise decision for both Antizidari and Croatia, but they got a lucky break, too.
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As far as i know you didn't lose by 1 goal difference, so you can't be 100% sure that you could've won that match, okay, you'd be closer, but not 100% sure. But it's okay, it's no use speak about the past... the game had a bug, i wish it to be fixed, that's all i can tell you.
I understand that the WCL should be highly competitive, I was merely voicing my support for the original topic:
Okay, my bad, sorry about that.
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Now is in the game almost every countries the world
If there must be a continental championship
like: Asia Cup and Euro Cup
and there must be a World Cup qualifier each continent
and not be random qualifier
like: KSA VS EGYPT (this error)
Because KSA from asia and EGYPT from Africa
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There are not regional divisions in GKO, but continental Cups are interesting.
The "random region" idea seems fair to me, if you divide each NT depending on their region, we would be fighting because it wouldn't be fair if some region has more places than others. With current system, we could have 10 south american, african or asiatic nations playing the World Cup, to do so, they must proof they are good enough in WC Qualifying.
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didnt we have many suggestions familiar like this one? about an extra league?it has failed many times btw.
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I wanted to propose a new tournament, similar to the UEFA Europa League, involving teams that could not qualify for the WCC. In many countries, the number of good teams in the top league is growing but I think those teams who for various reasons can not rated in the top would also have to be able to play some other international tournament, which compete with other very good teams from different countries, where you will learn much more and you will get to have more experience. Also, with this new tournament, the teams from lower divisions would have more opportunities to compete in international tournaments and earn more money :)
1 - The tournament would have the same format as WCC
2 - The number of members who participate in the first edition would be decided by the ranking that is used for the WCC
3 - Points earned by each team will be added to the ranking that we all know this allow those teams are not the best in their league, not just play to stay in the top league, but also fight to classify any international tournament
This would be a minor disadvantage for teams that have to play top league and WCC, as other teams Top league would have to play another international tournament. This would mean greater equality between teams from the same Top League ;)
THE TEAMS WHO WILL GET THE QUALIFICATION TO WCC WILL BE:
*Countries between the 1� and 8� place in the rank of WCC: 1� and 2� from top league go to group stage, 3� from top league and WINNER of national cup go to qualifying round
*Countries between the 9� and 16� place in the rank of WCC: 1� from top league go to group stage, 2� and 3� from top league and WINNER of national cup go to qualifying round
*Countries between 17� and 24� place in the rank of WCC: 1� from top league go to group stage, 2� from top league and WINNER of national cup go to qualifying round
*Countries between 25� and 40� place in the rank of WCC: 1� from top level and WINNER of national cup go to qualyfication round
*Countries between 41� and 208� place in the rank of WCC: 1� from top level go to qualifycation round
THE TEAMS WHO WILL GET THE QUALIFICATION TO THIS NEW TOURNAMENT WILL BE:
*Countries between the 1� and 8� place in the rank of WCC: 4� and 5� from top league go to group stage, and 6� from top league and FINALIST of national cup go to qualifying round
*Countries between the 9� and 16� place in the rank of WCC: 3� from top league go to group stage, and 4� from top league and FINALIST of national cup go to qualifying round
*Countries between 17� and 24� place in the rank of WCC: 3� from top league go to group stage, and 4� from top league and FINALIST of national cup go to qualifying round
*Countries between 25� and 40� place in the rank of WCC: 2� from top league and FINALIST of national cup go to qualifying round
*Countries between 41� and 208� place in the rank of WCC: 2� from top level go to qualifycation round
- Only classified by the national cup, those teams that AREN'T OF TOP LEAGUE. In case that any of the two teams that reached the cup final, participate in the top league, the places for international tournaments will be for Cup semifinalists. In the case that be only one vacancy, will be defined for the winner of the match for third place in the cup. If Cup semifinalists also play in the top league, the place will be occupied by the team from top league that don't qualified to international tournaments in this season yet, and have finished in a better position in the top league
- This idea also motivates the need to include a match for third place in each national cup. This match would be played simultaneously with the final of that national Cup
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good idea 8)
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Someone propose this several seasons ago, and admin said that there were enough tournaments already in GKO.
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Excellent gives an ability to generate greater good tems.
By experiences strategic and possibility of prize money
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8) 8)
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IMHO another tournament which is given advantage to small group of people is bad idea. Better way is to allow non-premium user to participate in custom cups. I also think , income and awards form WCL should be lower.
I played this season on WCL and I saw how much money come from it! This is big advantage and team which aren't in WCL simple can compete in own countries in a few season.
Another things is more training from those games. Lets say that training is because of condition drop by player. Ok, but income from tickets and awards should be removed. Teams should play in international tournaments only for prestige and fun!
I am against adventage form premium features , tokens and any other thing which can gives one player easiest way to win then other!!!
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL
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good idea
+1
8) 8) 8)
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+1
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There is only one thing i like from this suggestion:
- Only classified by the national cup, those teams that AREN'T OF TOP LEAGUE. In case that any of the two teams that reached the cup final, participate in the top league, the places for international tournaments will be for Cup semifinalists. In the case that be only one vacancy, will be defined for the winner of the match for third place in the cup. If Cup semifinalists also play in the top league, the place will be occupied by the team from top league that don't qualified to international tournaments in this season yet, and have finished in a better position in the top league
If top level teams receive more chances to play continental competitions, the gap between big teams and small teams will be higher.
With current scheme, a "big" team can finish 4th and lose a WCC place when the league becomes competitive, however, i don't see a big team placed below 6th position..... they would have an international competition to play each season for sure.
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good point, maybe they should classify these competencies by level
the winners of the league-b-
or winners of the leagues-c-
but it would be way too particular skills and perhaps lose appeal
or finally give greater force to the cup, which already gives quotas for wcl and classify two teams there for this, and make a longer qualifying to reach the finals of groups
the quota of the cup gives the opportunity for a small team has a good chance of reaching a international cup, as it depends on a good match to earn a better team, not 30 games
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+1 8)
I proposed something similar, but I don't believe that there are great chances in the realization of it. :-\ :(
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I think that, if we add a new competition, it should be something involving C level teams and below..... ho to pick them? I believe that national qualification each season might be a good method. If we pick the best 3 teams from each national ranking (removing Top Level and B level teams) we would have some active managers, playing well in the game and participating on leagues with lower attendance, it might be a good boost to them.
I remove B level teams in that discussion because a well ranked B level team will surely play top level next season, and he will have all the beneficts that comes to them....
Honestly, mi biggest concern is to those who can not bring more than 12.000 people each match.
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is true because the idea is to match the stadium attendance does nothing
but I think this idea is born by the motivation of those who still have a long way to reach top leagues
I think they should be internal competencies
league b
league c
leagued
league etc.
on Tuesdays in the top 16 teams in each group selecting them for best score among them
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IMHO another tournament which is given advantage to small group of people is bad idea. Better way is to allow non-premium user to participate in custom cups. I also think , income and awards form WCL should be lower.
I played this season on WCL and I saw how much money come from it! This is big advantage and team which aren't in WCL simple can compete in own countries in a few season.
Another things is more training from those games. Lets say that training is because of condition drop by player. Ok, but income from tickets and awards should be removed. Teams should play in international tournaments only for prestige and fun!
I am against adventage form premium features , tokens and any other thing which can gives one player easiest way to win then other!!!
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL
I'm agree in the point of the non-premium users can participate in custom cups, because in that way will be more training and incomes to the rest of the little teams, and then they could improve faster than now. But this tournament would give more importance to the national cup and also to lower division teams. Also, teams that have recently risen to the top level are much more motivated to have another purpose besides not-relegation
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good idea
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Suggested that placed championship for clubs each continent, not like WCC
Like: UEFA Champions League and AFC Champions League
And championship other for average teams
Like: Europa League and AFC Cup
Even be like Real Life
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It is good idea. ;)
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it is game, not RL. plus it has been discussed Many times
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In my opinion bad idea! The nymber of players on the different continents is too different so this would only give an unfair advantage to some.
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In my opinion bad idea! The nymber of players on the different continents is too different so this would only give an unfair advantage to some.
Exactly, player base isnt big enough to have so many different leagues.
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Of all the FIFA confederations, CONCACAF (North American & Caribbean) has to be the least represented (if not CAF). Yet, during the 30-day free premium trial many of us received when premium features were introduced, I was able to organize a CONCACAF CL custom cup (with a big prize) with 16 teams, all of which were either top 2 finishers in their top level or national cup finalist.
http://www.gokickoff.com/comp_custom.php?cup_id=85
There is no reason why continental CL's couldn't happen. They could be organized like Custom Cups with stage 1 being multiple "leagues" (equivelent to group stages) and stage 2 being a cup (with top 2 clubs from each league/group.
JUST ALLOW ALL USERS TO JOIN ONE CONTINENTAL CUSTOM CUP PER SEASON IF THEY ARE TOP 2 IN TOP LEVEL OR CUP FINALISTS!!! AT LEAST FOR THIS ONE COMPETITION!
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IMO GKO needs a 2� world club competition, equivalent to Europa League or Copa Sudamericana. This would both increase the number of teams that get to play in a world club competition, increase the number of overall world club competition matches that are played (and training bonuses that result) and could also give 3rd ranked teams from WCL group stage a 2nd chance which should increase the competitiveness of WCL groups.
To do this, changes would need to be made to WCL qualification:
Instead of 256 teams involved in WCL qualification, half this many should be involved, just from the top 52 ranked nations
e.g.:
1st qualif. round: the 40 cup winners
2nd qualif. round: 20 1st round winners + 108 league qualifiers (existing 56 plus one additional for top 52 ranked nations)
3rd qualif. round: 64 2nd round winners
advancing 32 teams to WCL group stage who join the 32 others that already qualify directly for the group stage
The remaining 156 league winners (that would normally qualify for WCL) would instead enter qualification for the 2� competition, along with 100 other teams:
32 5th & 6th place teams (nations ranked 1-16)
16 4th & 5th place teams (nations ranked 17-24)
28 3rd place teams (nations ranked 25-52)
24 cup winners (nations ranked 41-64); if cup winner qualified for WCL via league then the next highest ranked league team (nations ranked 41-52) would qualify instead
...these 256 would play 3 basic qualification rounds advancing 32 teams to the group stage.
The group stage would comprise 4 groups of 8 teams (played like WCL)
Top 2 teams of each group (8 total) would then advance to the knockout rounds along with 3rd place teams from WCL group stage (16 teams total) and advance in step with WCL knockout rounds.
I think prizes would be half of WCL prizes, and goals would count half of WCL goals toward league ranking
Adding such a 2� world club competition would add 152 teams that get to play in a world club competition and nearly double the total number of matches in these competitions. 8)
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I really admire you for the effort you keep doing to make suggestions!.. Knowing that the admin and gamedevelopers probably won't even read it. And if they read it, they won't use your suggestions, because the only suggestions they're interested in are those out of which they can make some money.
But anyway, good suggestion. Too bad it'll never happen.
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I really admire you for the effort you keep doing to make suggestions!.. Knowing that the admin and gamedevelopers probably won't even read it. And if they read it, they won't use your suggestions, because the only suggestions they're interested in are those out of which they can make some money.
But anyway, good suggestion. Too bad it'll never happen.
:'(
Well, perhaps having more world club competition opportunities would increase the number of premium users...
...it's the best hope, so I added a poll :P
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Very good idea! 8) 8)
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:-X you will be eliminated from WCL~~~so ,you have this advice~?
:P Just kidding~! haha~~ ;D
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@Brian Clough
I really like your idea but i dont think anything would be done on this issue... ::)
about the poll it will not make any difference cause premium is still too expensive for me >:(
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I think it would be really nice if all the national cup winners would be allowed to take part in WCL qualifying round like it is in UEFA Europa League right now in a lot of countries cup has minimal value but if winning it would allow you to take part in WCL qualifying then it would add so much value to it. I think expending the game will benefit every one
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http://www.gokickoff.com/comp_wcc.php - section League Ranking - here you are who can paly in WCC straight and by qualifying games. Cup Winners can play in WCC if their own league is high in that ranking
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Thank you for the reply
I am aware of that but there are 208 league only first 40 NT cup winner teams play in qualifying round. this would not be a big problem if there would be more then one international league: champions league,UEFA Europa League, Copa Libertadores, etc.. but this game only has one championship and a lot of teams get left behind so why not expand it a bit. It will help motivate players a lot
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Your suggestion were discussed a lot of times and we always got to the same result: it will only increase the gap between big amd small clubs.
Most teams playing WCC have to split their strenght when playing both sides, it might happen that a strong team might not finish in the top 3, but they won't finish in a lower position than 5th or 6th at most.
If we add another competition, those teams will keep playing international competitions, collecting extra money and experience.... you might see a chance to get a place if you play in a lower ranked league, but in long term it will make the gap even bigger than now.
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Mind the gap! ;)
What would be nice is if friendly matches could happen during WCL much like national cup matches happen during regular friendlies. This would give everyone more to do and decrease that gap Carlos referred to a bit. I wonder...
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Your suggestion were discussed a lot of times and we always got to the same result: it will only increase the gap between big amd small clubs.
Most teams playing WCC have to split their strenght when playing both sides, it might happen that a strong team might not finish in the top 3, but they won't finish in a lower position than 5th or 6th at most.
If we add another competition, those teams will keep playing international competitions, collecting extra money and experience.... you might see a chance to get a place if you play in a lower ranked league, but in long term it will make the gap even bigger than now.
To be honest I do not quite understand the reasoning, is not that how real football works, is not every nt cup winners teams allowed to play on Europa League and managing your players fatigues is what all teams do in the world. I think it would add so much more interest to the game about the money give teams who play in Europa League as much as they would get if they were playing friendlies
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All of us know how european competition works, but it seems you don't understand how this game works.
Adding another extra competition will only secure that each country's best 6 teams collect extra money/experience increasing their difference with others every season.
I don't know wich league (or level) you're playing, but experience taught us that the more you play, the more you become stronger. In fully established leagues, recently promoted teams rarely have a chance against a top 6 squad, it might happen that a recently promoted team manages to win league and reaches WCC (i did eventually), but those teams proves to be good enough to play WCC again.
I will use my league as an example: This is argentinian top level (http://www.gokickoff.com/comp_league.php?league_id=33), if you add an extra competition, i can grant you that Club Atl�tico Talleres (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=95928) (my team), Chespis (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=27036), Bananas Jrs (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=176333), AC Olympic (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=22840) and Estudiantes de Olavarria (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=111776) will play and international competition each season, the remaining spot would be split between LOS GURISES FC (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=23337) and F.C Tigres-Vengalas (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=187630).
I have won Argentinian Top Level twice a row since i get there in season 6, that said, let's say that i have a really bad season and my team finishes 5th, i would still be playing an extra competition, so i will keep collecting attendance incomes, my players will keep receiving skill and experience bonus, even if my season is bad! What chances would have a recently promoted squad against me? None, and in long term they will have even less chances, because my team will be increasing it's strenght faster than theirs.
Nobody is discussing your proposal to make it more realistic, but older users understand that adding extra matches to a few, only will compromise competition fairness, a lot and for all!
That said, i like Brian's suggestion, a lot!
Mind the gap! ;)
What would be nice is if friendly matches could happen during WCL much like national cup matches happen during regular friendlies. This would give everyone more to do and decrease that gap Carlos referred to a bit. I wonder...
At least every single manager would have the chance to increase his player's ability and grab some G into their accounts, WCC teams would keep increasing their strengh, but the gap between them won't keep increasing that fast.
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eh, I believe you are right, it might be not realistic but at least it is fair for all the users
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I think this one is good to place my suggestion:
I check just few top level comp. as my NL and I find similar situation,one club dominate complatly league and cup...Basic on that situation and discussion on this topic i would like to propose modification on world competitions.Main idea is let to play more clubs from low ranking country's ,think best same as from the top of ranking but keep limit to 4 clubs from one country which when we have 16 on league and 6 can be releget looks really very good.I know that it means more clubs on world competitions but I think it could be even better casue there will be more fair for other teams from low ranking country's.
1.World champions Cup for 1st and 2nd placed teams from each top level league - like champions league
2.World league for cup winners and 3rd place team from top level in each country. - low rank cup (less money from tickets) with award of 1million G for winner
Thank's to two competitions we have similar amount of clubs in world comp. like before and we let to play more clubs which could be dominated in domestic league by strong clubs.Amount of games we can adjust with qualification round's where for draws each club can get highest points from his own rank of federations rank (similar to real life).
Regarding to unfair competiotions between clubs from World cup and other one's in top level leagues I see also some ideas like:
System could be adjusted two home/road games (Two cups could be played with less rounds and group stage with 4 teams for group) where "road" games will cost players more stamina which should be not able to recover on anyway,with this option if club want to win Worls cup and top level in strong country should play with 20 good players like in real life.Especially that only 1st and 2nd place guarantee start in prestige World Cup...
I'm interesting what do You think about this idea,if You like it please discuss about best solutions which should benefit to us and owners of this game,cause now surly it is frustrating for many new users to play against strong team which 1.can win all games on top level 2.Block all other teams from league of playing World cup or limit them to one...Two cups for more teams with some small modification of system could slowly chnage that diff.
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Hi All
I proposed to play two International Cups in GKO instead one to let play in International level more clubs from low ranking country's.
In present situation we have World Club Champions Cup with 14 rounds played by 256 teams
New system base on idea that from every country 4 teams play International Cup's.At that moment we have 208 National Federations that means 832 teams for new system.To not complicate both cups can play on same way similar to present situation where teams get ranking like now.
World Club Champions Cup could be like now most prestige cup in GKO with awards like now.To qualify team from any country must be 1st or 2nd on Top Level league,
World Club Cup (new international cup) could be low rank International cup with prestige same as Top level league's (less supporters,bonuses etc.) and awards with for example 50% of World Club Champions Cup level.In this cup teams from 3rd place in top level and winners of domestic cup comp. will be qualify.
In result of that there will be more fight in strong leagues to finished 1st or 2nd and play Champions Cup.
System for both cup look like below where ranking decide when a team start to play and how to be placed on draw.
1st round - 64 teams from bottom of the ranking play elimination game
2nd round - 32 winners from 1st round +224 teams from 352 Teams (128 top ranking teams start from 3rd round) play elimination game.
3rd round - 128 winners from 2nd round will play against 128 teams from top of ranking
4th round - 64 games,winners qualify to group stage
5th round - group stage (7 games)
next rounds like we have now...
We play total 15 round where first round could be play 3-4 days before 1st league game,on one of friendly game date
In this system we have more clubs in group stage which means more money for best teams but we can move group stage one round later to keep current amount of clubs playing that stage.I'm agree that 4 clubs from one country in a International Cup is max.
Also cause in first two rounds Teams are from very low rank we can think to play both rounds in preseason week and one free date move to a most important game in International cup to play Home/Away game but than which round it should be? Final,Semi final or Elemination to group stage?
Hope You like my idea and after discussion this will be suggestion for GOK team.
About a game from me in few words...Without details which I already found in forum like bugs,cheaters etc...
Best game for sure !!! Best cause it is most simulated online manager.But in same way owners are killing simulation(their most value advantage) with tokens,credits and huge diff. between premium and non premium users.If some firm like a Sports Interactive will do online manager based on simulation but without that gap between users it will be finished for GOK in weeks...I suggest to improve that simulation to SIMULATION where premium benefits is mainly TIME.People now are paying for a time,time means money guys,if somebody can pay to play GOK 1 hour instead 10 hours with same result as non paying member he will pay.Things like transfer agent set on our maximum bid and wage,shortlists and some auto functions for premium users is more than enough believe me.Most of us are working,study etc. so if we can buy a time we will buy and a game will be really great with more people which later could by premium to(they start working,study and all...) For example like now we pay for Premium and we get also quick more "energy" but to spend it we have to visit GOK even more than non premium users.That's really Wrong way.In this case when we already pay we should get energy cumulate to 1000 or even 2000 and cumulated with same speed like non premium 80. I mean both will reach 80 in same time but non premium user should visit than GOK and Premium user could wait until 1000 or 2000 as he already support GOK.Hope You get my point.I'm pretty sure fore every option is solution to give everybody opportunity to reach same result.Non premium should be able to do this but spending a lot of time for things which premium user could do automatically and so...
Be smart GOK TEAM cause other firm can strike any time ;)
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Good idea! :'(
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Your suggestion were discussed a lot of times and we always got to the same result: it will only increase the gap between big amd small clubs.
Most teams playing WCC have to split their strenght when playing both sides, it might happen that a strong team might not finish in the top 3, but they won't finish in a lower position than 5th or 6th at most.
If we add another competition, those teams will keep playing international competitions, collecting extra money and experience.... you might see a chance to get a place if you play in a lower ranked league, but in long term it will make the gap even bigger than now.
there are 128 matches in first round of qualification. there could be another round added. this needs an extra 256 teams. 168 would be cup winners from the countries that don�t have this right today. it would leave an extra 88 teams. those would come from the leagues ranked 17 to 104. or 25 to 112. this way there are still only 4 teams in the top 16 (or top 24) ranking. no 5th or 6th place in champions cup an all the cup winners play.
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These are all good suggestions, but I feel like we are beating a dead horse.
This thread now has about a dozen iterations of the same suggestion (Europa or Sudamericana type competitions). Instead, let's come up with some suggestions that help weaker teams! One I made was to allow friendly matches to happen during WCL matches. This should be a first step imho.
Going further, I would like to see national competitions like the English Football League Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Trophy) that exclude teams in the top two levels! I don't know about your nations, but how often have C-level or lower teams ever made it to national cup quarterfinals? Probably almost never. Furthermore, many clubs in lower levels are often excluded from the national cup entirely, and everyone should at least get a national cup to play in!
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most of the teams included after the change would lose in the first round anyway, and the really strong teams start playing in the group stage, so there is no big difference of income between the teams qualified and the ones that don�t. what is 100k-150k over a season? and training, 0.02 per player for a max of 14 players, since most teams would play the strongest players, and those are fully trained.
friendlies, that would be nice, but then i would not feel so bad for not playing in champions cup.
the english league is special and that is not the rule, to have cups that exclude top level teams. besides, excluding top level (here) would only create 16 slots for other teams, do you think that would make a difference? the top levels teams start playing later, because it makes no sense having a 5th or 6th level amateur team play against top level. they start the competition at a regional level and slowly ad teams from superior levels. a top level team can play a max of 5 matches, if it reaches the final. a C level team is very often found in the round of 16.
in this game i have seen D level teams playing the final, even in active nations.
since the vast majority of the teams left out of the cup are bots (except in thailand), i wouldn�t be so concerned about it. if a team wants to play in the cup, they should be able to be in the top of a league made up of 14-15 bot teams.
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I was thinking why there is only 1 cometition like the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.
it could be better, if there are 2 competitons like it happens in real life, and nations which are in the lower ranking, could have mire than one particapant int these competitions.
we could have a champions league, and an other one like europe EUROPA LEAGUE in real life
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I like it.
I would add, all teams who lose on WCl qualifying rounds go to it for sure. In that way, many teams will not use too much mots on previous rounds.
And more incomes and training for more teams.
+1
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it could be done, there are many other goods ideas,this is one to improve the game.
Many small nations only have only one club competing in the world club cup. This could help, they can make a second tier competition. It is possible.
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The idea was discuss before, I remember to speak about it. I don't think developers will make, but I like it.
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if perhaps we make a huge debate here , and afterwords the administrators will see our discussion, perhaps they could add another competition, i think everyone will benefit from it.
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It has been discussed many times before... my opinion?
New international competition with same seeding system than Europa League? No way, it will increase the gap between big and small clubs.
New international competition with more places for lower ranked leagues? It would be more unfair, and will increase the "legal multi account farming" drastically.
New international competition for lower division teams? Yes, please!
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It has been discussed many times before... my opinion?
New international competition with same seeding system than Europa League? No way, it will increase the gap between big and small clubs.
New international competition with more places for lower ranked leagues? It would be more unfair, and will increase the "legal multi account farming" drastically.
New international competition for lower division teams? Yes, please!
i really don't understand the concept. why would a second division team be in an international competition, but not the 5th placed in top level. the team from top level would win 8 or 9 out of 10 matches against the other team, but the top level team just stays home doing nothing.
if i were in the middle of top level, i would chose to relegate and get to play in that competition from the second division. just think about it: instead of the middle of top level, with unhappy fans and moderate income, i would get too keep my fans happy by winning the second division and i would get extra income and an international trophy. or at least i would get to be in a thrilling competition. all these, while a stronger team than mine would fight in top level and only get the 3rd or 4th place, that would not allow it to be in an international competition.
international competitions for lower than top level divisions are only for losers and frustrated users that are not good enough to earn a spot in wcc. if a team is really good, but not in top level it can reach wcc by winning the cup. if it cannot do that, it does not deserve to be in an international competition.
if someone wants such competition, it can create an off-site competition and play the matches here, as friendlies.
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i really don't understand the concept. why would a second division team be in an international competition, but not the 5th placed in top level. the team from top level would win 8 or 9 out of 10 matches against the other team, but the top level team just stays home doing nothing.
if i were in the middle of top level, i would chose to relegate and get to play in that competition from the second division. just think about it: instead of the middle of top level, with unhappy fans and moderate income, i would get too keep my fans happy by winning the second division and i would get extra income and an international trophy. or at least i would get to be in a thrilling competition. all these, while a stronger team than mine would fight in top level and only get the 3rd or 4th place, that would not allow it to be in an international competition.
international competitions for lower than top level divisions are only for losers and frustrated users that are not good enough to earn a spot in wcc. if a team is really good, but not in top level it can reach wcc by winning the cup. if it cannot do that, it does not deserve to be in an international competition.
if someone wants such competition, it can create an off-site competition and play the matches here, as friendlies.
First of all, let's be honest, people doesn't want another international competition for glory, they want another chance to play matches, train players and earn money, that said:
Any thai B level is stronger than 80% of the teams you might find in mid table on any Top level league, i might say the same with some serbian teams too (and i surely forget others, sorry). Thailand has 6492 users, if you remove the 16 top level teams, there is only one potential WCC spot for 6476 teams (they must win national cup, beating top level teams included). I wouldn't call those B level teams "losers", unlucky would be a more reasonable word if you ask me...
My concept is quite simple actually: if you want that 5th and 6th top level goes to an international competition, the gap will be increased even faster than now... let me put you things like this: right now i am farming many young players (i wouldn't say they are youth, but i am not playing with my best squad) i know that i won't be in the top 2 this season, if i end 5th now, i will be playing an international competition next season, no matter what, in other words, the gap between a strong team and other team who can finally get into the WCC will remaim.
What i suggest is simple actually, give some B level teams the chance to reach top level better prepared than now, when a season starts, people usually knows wich teams will fight for the championship and wich teams will play to avoid relegation, and they usually are the newcomers, am i wrong? If you give those B level teams the chance to get something extra before reaching the top level, their chances to survive will be higher (and top level matches will be harder too).
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my point is that a weaker team from a weaker and lower division does not deserve extra anything, while 12-15 stronger teams (from top level) can't get the same deal.
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my point is that a weaker team from a weaker and lower division does not deserve extra anything, while 12-15 stronger teams (from top level) can't get the same deal.
Why they don't deserve? Because they started one month ago and you started one year ago, if this system is implemented then weak will stay weak and strong will stay strong, there is no point in what you are saying, this system is one way of killing the game. I agree with Carlos, give clubs from B leagues( not just B, maybe one team per league (C,D ...)) some extra games so they could came prepared for top level. So in that way the weak could get stronger and you will have competitive top level and WCL, and with that you got more interesting and exciting game
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my point is that a weaker team from a weaker and lower division does not deserve extra anything, while 12-15 stronger teams (from top level) can't get the same deal.
You might find if funny, but some of the weakest teams i faced in this game were some minor league teams playing WCC group stage (a bot and 2 MotS spent in qualifying phase does miracles). If you want to restrict international competitions to "strong teams only", many minor leagues should be removed from WCC seeding, increasing the number of teams coming from stronger leagues, that would make the WCC stronger and harder.
I wouldn't do this if you ask me, but it would be the most radical solution based on your criteria.
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Well , I want another competition :)
It could be nice , and it could be done - and all teams who play there would get twice lower money , training ?! That could be good I think .
First of all, let's be honest, people doesn't want another international competition for glory, they want another chance to play matches, train players and earn money, that said:
Any thai B level is stronger than 80% of the teams you might find in mid table on any Top level league, i might say the same with some serbian teams too (and i surely forget others, sorry). Thailand has 6492 users, if you remove the 16 top level teams, there is only one potential WCC spot for 6476 teams (they must win national cup, beating top level teams included). I wouldn't call those B level teams "losers", unlucky would be a more reasonable word if you ask me...
How many leagues are that much good or competitive ? Maybe 3-4 at most !
I dont agree for a competition for lower division teams .
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If playing more than one account would be illegal, i would accept another competition for lower ranked leagues, but looking how things works here, i dissagree. Just watching the group i have in WCC this season is enough reason for me, things would be even worst later.
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How many leagues are that much good or competitive ? Maybe 3-4 at most !
That is precisely the reason because i want to strenghtem their squads, even in my country, teams coming from Arg B level are mostly weak and they usually drop to B level when the season ends, i want stronger rivals in top level, what is wrong to give them something to be better prepared?
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From the begining I always say that WCC with tickets income, prizes and training outcome is bad thing. We all should play in international competition for honor and glory not for money and training. The gap between team which plays season by season in WCC and which don't participate is bigger and bigger. I am in and I see that no one from Poland can catch me and Dynamit in power of club and players, never ever!
I know what you mean about this season WCC groups, there are many second teams premium users, Thailand mostly.
This is another bad thing of GKO , teams from weak countries with premium have big adventage when compare with i.e. all teams in Poland (without me and Dynamit).
We all know GKO is unfair from the begining till know. I lost faith long ago if it change.
So for me there can be as many international competition as server com handle ,lol So there will be more teams with higher incomes and training .
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If playing more than one account would be illegal, i would accept another competition for lower ranked leagues, but looking how things works here, i dissagree. Just watching the group i have in WCC this season is enough reason for me, things would be even worst later.
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How many leagues are that much good or competitive ? Maybe 3-4 at most !
That is precisely the reason because i want to strenghtem their squads, even in my country, teams coming from Arg B level are mostly weak and they usually drop to B level when the season ends, i want stronger rivals in top level, what is wrong to give them something to be better prepared?
Because :
if i were in the middle of top level, i would chose to relegate and get to play in that competition from the second division. just think about it: instead of the middle of top level, with unhappy fans and moderate income, i would get too keep my fans happy by winning the second division and i would get extra income and an international trophy. or at least i would get to be in a thrilling competition. all these, while a stronger team than mine would fight in top level and only get the 3rd or 4th place, that would not allow it to be in an international competition.
If a team knows he cant catch up the first two teams in the next 2-3 seasons , he will go in B - where he could win and qualify for the other competition :)
There would be real WAR for relegation then :) :) :)
From the begining I always say that WCC with tickets income, prizes and training outcome is bad thing. We all should play in international competition for honor and glory not for money and training. The gap between team which plays season by season in WCC and which don't participate is bigger and bigger.
But if you remove all of that , a big part of the game should change .
I am in and I see that no one from Poland can catch me and Dynamit in power of club and players, never ever!
It takes too much time for that . But at some point everyone would be equal I think. How long you think Elche need to catch up Real Madrid ? :D
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The last time we discussed about adding another competition, somebody came with am interesting solution (i think it was Brian who suggested, i can't remember).
What if non WCC teams would play friendly matches on thursday too? All teams would have the chance to get some extra money and some extra training, WCC would remain as "the" competition, but at least other teams would have something to do on these days and the gap between teams would change at a lower pace. I don't think of it as a bad idea.
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my point is that a weaker team from a weaker and lower division does not deserve extra anything, while 12-15 stronger teams (from top level) can't get the same deal.
Why they don't deserve? Because they started one month ago and you started one year ago, if this system is implemented then weak will stay weak and strong will stay strong, there is no point in what you are saying, this system is one way of killing the game. I agree with Carlos, give clubs from B leagues( not just B, maybe one team per league (C,D ...)) some extra games so they could came prepared for top level. So in that way the weak could get stronger and you will have competitive top level and WCL, and with that you got more interesting and exciting game
how are you going to decide what team from B gets to play in international competition? you take the the best number 1 from the 3 B leagues? or all 3 winners? then, when the competition starts, you'll have the competitors playing in top level, because it is next season. if they have weak teams, it's going to be even harder for them to keep up with top level matches, cup matches and international matches. that makes competition for top teams from top level even easier.
and what is going to be the aim of those teams? to go back to B.
a team needs to have enough strong players to fight for championship, cup and international competition. a B league team does not have that. a top level team could have, even if it does not finish first or second.
my point is that a weaker team from a weaker and lower division does not deserve extra anything, while 12-15 stronger teams (from top level) can't get the same deal.
You might find if funny, but some of the weakest teams i faced in this game were some minor league teams playing WCC group stage (a bot and 2 MotS spent in qualifying phase does miracles). If you want to restrict international competitions to "strong teams only", many minor leagues should be removed from WCC seeding, increasing the number of teams coming from stronger leagues, that would make the WCC stronger and harder.
I wouldn't do this if you ask me, but it would be the most radical solution based on your criteria.
i don't want to restrict international competitions to "strong teams only", i want it to be just as it is in real life, with the strongest teams from their own league, even if it is a weak league. i even want more teams for the weak countries, so that all countries could have the cup winner play. and that could be possible with just one extra qually round.
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my point is that nations of lower ranking, have also the right like the big nations to enter more than 1 club in the world cahmpions cup. at least by another team.
the league of these countries would be more interested for sure.
now if the system does not let this happens, why dont you make another competition parallel with the world CHAMPIONS CUP, and in it at least another team from lower countries could enter in it just like the EUROPA LEAGUE in real life.
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my point is that nations of lower ranking, have also the right like the big nations to enter more than 1 club in the world cahmpions cup. at least by another team.
The number of teams reaching the WCC is dynamic, if you want to increase the quota that Malta has, the maltese top level champion must perform properly in WCC qualifying phase, reach group stage and get as many points as possible, with time your nation will increase its quota, if your league champion is kicked out in WCC qualifying phase, your natonion's chances to reach group stage won't increase, ever.
But same happens with strong nations, if their 2 teams can't reach group stage and their teams playing group stage doesn't collect enough points to keep the pace, they also can lose their current quota, so in the end it's all about performance.
Will you tell me that reaching group stage is hard or unfair for small league teams like yours? As i pointed earlier, many players won't ever play WCC because they play in lower division in bigger leagues, just watching that Thailand has only 1 potential WCC spot for 6476 users while Malta has 1 sport for 84 users, and winning Thai Cup is A LOT harder than winning Maltese top level.
the league of these countries would be more interested for sure.
They will only be more interesting for multi account users.
I didn't want to say names, but cosidering that the game owners doesn't consider multi account playing as "cheating", i think there is no problem if i explain how things are in my group. I play WCC Group C, the funny thing about it is that i play against 3 thai users:
* fOrU (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=91109) is the current Thai Cup champion, but he didn't played qualifyings because he also finished 2nd in thai top level, at first sight it seems like a really strong team, i scouted some of his players and he seem to be a really tough nut, a proper thai league team, i am absoultely sure that this team can reach later stages in the competition, i still haven't decided how seriously i will play WCC this season (i am farming players in league, maybe i'll do the same in WCC, who knows), but if i play seriously against him, the game might be really funny and anything can happen.
* Rouyn Noranda (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=258384) belongs to another thai manager, this (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=45504) (or maybe it belongs to 2 thai managers? it is very usual among managers to share an account to farm players only, this team always get players from same teams) the point is that despite how strong his main teams seems to be, any player he might want to farm in WCC will have anything to improve his players even faster in this secondary account.
* And finally: AllStarGoKick (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=196141), i wouldn't say that he plays in australian top level because things are a lot easier there than playing in his own country (he started playing in Australia long time ago after all, and i ignore if he owns a squad in thai leagues) but watching his team and his general performance teaches me how unfair might be the "Small leagues stuff": He has been Australia U21 manager since i remember, but if you look at Australia U21 fixtures (http://www.gokickoff.com/nation_youth_fixtures.php?nation_id=12) you will notice that he uses the U21 to farm own players mostly (it always were like this, maybe people stopped to report managers like him after watching how passive the GM is about these NT managers) so he is getting faster improvemente than most of us. BUT if you also add another competition for smaller leagues, his farming account (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=275137) in Wales will also give him the chance to improve his main squad players even faster, do you think that is correct?
Sorry, but in the way i look at it, multi account managers rarely plays on their own country, they usually picks smaller nations for 2 reasons: bigger incomes in matches to improve training facilities (20k from seats the very beginning) and the posibility to reach WCC faster (and that WCC experience is really atractive for their main account players). If you give them more, the multi account farming will be even bigger, so my answer to this is no, i don't want it at all.
now if the system does not let this happens, why dont you make another competition parallel with the world CHAMPIONS CUP, and in it at least another team from lower countries could enter in it just like the EUROPA LEAGUE in real life.
Because this is not the real life, this is a game, and there is a balance that must be kept.
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;) I say yes to more competitions... Why stop with one more. I say lets play more international cups and more league cups. :-\ Yes... three more competitions would be nice.
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OOO... I forgot to add... we should break down the WCL competition into 4-8 smaller competitions and then have a Club World Cup with the winners. Glory Glory Glory!!
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you forgot a cup for each league level and then a combined cup of all of these, a competition where you can play only your country's players in your team, another for the u21 players in your team, yet another for over 30 y.o. players and i guess you can come up with several more, maybe this way there will be enough meaningless trophies to win and each user will eventually have a dozen.
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After playing one match in WCC Group stage, and i found something interesting:
* Rouyn Noranda (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=258384) belongs to another thai manager, this (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=45504) (or maybe it belongs to 2 thai managers? it is very usual among managers to share an account to farm players only, this team always get players from same teams) the point is that despite how strong his main teams seems to be, any player he might want to farm in WCC will have anything to improve his players even faster in this secondary account.
SUBMISSIONS 101 (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=245230) is the current Uzbekistan league/cup champion. Gues who is his owner and where comes his loan deals? And believe it or not, both teams plays in same group and belongs to the same manager :P
The multi account mechanic is pretty simple: one teams plays as CA7- farmer (his fitness center and training facilities are at very good level), the other works as CA7+ skill/exp farmer. Pretty cool uh?
Glory? Fairness? There's not such thing in WCC, the competition turned into a rat nest, filled with farm squads everythwere. Teams like Rouyn Noranda (http://www.gokickoff.com/team_overviews.php?club_id=258384) doesn't need their MotS in their local league, so they have no problem to spend them in WCC qualifyings (kicking out other active users), with the lone purpose to reach this farming objective.
Situations like this are the main reason because i always say that MotS needs to change drastically, and another extra competition for lowed ranked leagues shouldn't happen.
Because :
if i were in the middle of top level, i would chose to relegate and get to play in that competition from the second division. just think about it: instead of the middle of top level, with unhappy fans and moderate income, i would get too keep my fans happy by winning the second division and i would get extra income and an international trophy. or at least i would get to be in a thrilling competition. all these, while a stronger team than mine would fight in top level and only get the 3rd or 4th place, that would not allow it to be in an international competition.
If a team knows he cant catch up the first two teams in the next 2-3 seasons , he will go in B - where he could win and qualify for the other competition :)
There would be real WAR for relegation then :)
Not if recently relegated wouldn't be allowed to join international competition inmediatelly. Would you spend 2 seasons in B level, just to play an international competition? I don't think so...
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Yeah, there will be more 2nd and 3rd teams of same users. This problem should be clear asap. IMHO only one club from one user should participate in one competition. If not there will be a lot of games with fixed results before played :(
MOTSes like we have make this situation even worst :(
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mots - killing game spirit and positive relations on community
cheaters - killing game spirit
multi account allowed IN SAME COUNRTY - killing game spirit and create opportunity to cheat,with mots is like atomic bomb to game spirit and positive community
loan transfers players between clubs belong to same manager - killing...
training own players by NT managers - killing...
And so on...how long ???
We all know why we like this game,once similar and better,fair game will be lunched this scenario in steps can strike here as other games before:
1.Most of people play more than one online manager but support and focus on one...Those users willl keep playing GKO but will not support any more as they will focus on the other game.
2.Once they stop pay premium mainly cheaters ,multi accounts members will show as the winners...other users will give up and will not like it at all.
3.Once only cheaters and multi accounts players will support a game,GM will turn off server for all...
Im not against multi account for premium users but they should not play in same league,loan transfer between same owner should be not aloud and information about more clubs must be public on team page.
Well ,we can write a lot but since number of months there is silence...Maybe first Admin or GM team would be fair to us and say straight what kind of plans they have or not about this game :-\
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mine was just a propostion, i think that one pace for the least tranking nations is very small.
i think that every nation must at least have 2 participants one, who wins the league and one who wins the cup, then better natons could have more and even more than 4, the best countries could have 5 an extra place also.
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http://forum.gokickoff.com/index.php?topic=2519.msg110438#msg110438 (http://forum.gokickoff.com/index.php?topic=2519.msg110438#msg110438)
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