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Title: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: yaba on May 24, 2012, 03:30:03 PM
the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
It's very low return investments
I calculate it ,The results of the calculations not cost-effective very much

example reference this topic   http://forum.gokickoff.com/index.php?topic=4654.0 (http://forum.gokickoff.com/index.php?topic=4654.0)    It is just a neighborhood.

Quality   Cost of upgrade              Weekly   Seasonal      Cost/increased return (# seasons to return investment)
very bad       50,000                       6,000     102,000       0.5
bad             200,000                      10,000       51,000       3.9
okay            500,000                     17,500       93,500       5.4
good            800,000                      26,500      102,000       7.8
very good   1,200,000                     37,500      136,000      8.8
the best     5,000,000                      55,500     212,000      23.5

Assumed when you upgrade Okey you use time for returen investment around 10season =3.33years
I think so a very long time .I hope you will consider it  again.


thank a lot. regards.

Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: gabrielis on May 24, 2012, 03:37:20 PM
thats GKO, there are a lot of cheaters for a reason
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Kr10s on May 24, 2012, 03:45:34 PM
Well.... i have improved my facilities "a little"....

Megastore: Very Good
Hotel: Okay
Bar: Okay
My team rating is 3008

After investing 4.250.000G on them, i received 80.362G last week...... my expenses are very high and i was playing in a low division, that's why i upgraded them, else, my balance would be a huge loss every week.... but honestly, i wouldn't be against an incomes increase, after spending so much money on them, i still can't track a decent balance each week (i'm losing about 52.000G each week). Activities and match incomes are saving me for now.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Ruta on May 24, 2012, 04:55:45 PM
Carlos you are talking about cash from sponsors and marchandising versus wages and maintance, am I correct? You don't count money from tickets and club activities, wright?

So I lose 125 k G every week:( Facilities and good coaches re expensive. But with them I have good youth with well training. I earn money on selling no needed players:) It is funny that I pay more for coaches salary then players.


PS I am upgrading all buildings to okey level  but I am still not convinced that it is good way.
PS 2 I got 50 k G from marchandising last week , my ratinig was 4800
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on May 24, 2012, 05:32:51 PM
Does the OP consider the increased Maintenance costs of the upgrade?

I haven't bothered with these since they reduced the income a few seasons back.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Kr10s on May 24, 2012, 05:44:08 PM
I am receiving 80k on merchandise only.
Last week i earned 58.751G from my sponsors and 80.362G from my facilities.
However, my expenses are very high: 120.000G to mantain those facilities and 71.406G to pay wages.
If i don't do club activities or play a league match, i would've lost 52.293G... i have good facilities and interesting players, but i don't even have a 700k/120 credit coach... what chances could i have if i hire one?
Honestly, my finances are growing this season, i can't complain that much, with some luck i will be on top level next season, but what chances have a team playing in lower division? I have been here more than a year and i always had to improve facilities to cover a hole on my club finances. I spent the same money that a top level team spend to improve their academy to very good level in a blink, and i varely survive.... What chances have a thai manager that startded in G level (or below) to promote and enjoy a talented player? They need to sell, else, their numbers won't match.
I know that playing in top level should have their beneficts, and i agree with that, but right now, hotoel/megastore/bar are only useful to survive, i don't consider them a tool useful to grow.
That's my point of view....
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on May 24, 2012, 05:54:50 PM
Maintenance, wages (and bonus) last week 180k, Sponsors + Merchandising 80k Tickets 180k. Not sure how much the bonus was, but I it looks like I run at -100k without a match and plus 80k with one. (I had a decent Cup run this season, and looks like I need one next season too, for the 80kish a game it brings in.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: gabrielis on May 24, 2012, 05:59:12 PM
I pay like 30k more for facilities and wages than i get from sponsors and facilities. since im not paying for this game i get twice less energy than you do so I cant get much from merchant (it covers that 30k debt) lucky me, im playing in top level and get +160k for each home games. finally cup has started, witch gives some extra coins. too bad others are playing in 6-7th round already

honestly, i dont believe that teams from lover leagues will ever have a chance to reach and stay for longer in top league. we get more att. more rating points bigger prizes.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Kr10s on May 24, 2012, 06:17:48 PM
That's my point!
This season i am growing, fast! Yesterday i had my stadium filled (17.500 people) so i get 192.500 (stadium quality is good), i played a cup match at my stadium and i get almost 100k more, i made about 75k on club activities, so this week i made more than 300k on profit. But, what if i wouldn't be on a "high" level? To get that rank i should have improved my museum even more (more money to spend) and without those attendances my chances to improve my finances would be minimum.
Honestly, something must change on finances, is ridiculous that a coach takes more than twice money than the most expensive player on this game, a normal coach takes the same than a Ca6 player, that is ridiculous!
Same happens when we talk about facilities.... spend 800k to improve somethin from okay to good level and your real profit is between 6.000 and 10.000g (maintenance also increases, so that 25000-28000 income is not real)... THAT is a very bad taste joke!
I improved them because i am obsessed with my finances, i always want to have a healthy club, but honestly, if somebody wants to grow, they must ignore them right now.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Ruta on May 24, 2012, 06:21:08 PM
I agree with all of you. Now starting teams have hard nut to crack. I can't imagine to start now myself!!!! In Poland is no chance to compete with teams which played 2 or more years in Top Level.


 This game is unbalanced because of WCL too. In current season I  see that teams from countries with less active players are stronger. It is because 1 or 2 teams in some countries win all the money season by season. They haven't any competition in home country, use MOTS in WCL games , saves best palyers for those games and so on.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on May 24, 2012, 06:22:44 PM
Good Stadiums do not make more money, as they have higher maintenance?
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Ruta on May 24, 2012, 06:26:34 PM

 honestly, if somebody wants to grow, they must ignore them right now.
Agree , I like to have good finance , but in this game it is not working :(
The best way to earn money is invest all resources in academy and train own youth or  sel them if team havn't good training facilities and coaches.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Kr10s on May 24, 2012, 06:29:28 PM
Good Stadiums do not make more money, as they have higher maintenance?

If you want to make more money with it, you need to take it to very good level. Maintenance is the same than good level, but you get 1g more per seat.

(sorry if something is not properly written, i'm writing through a phone... f****ng touch screen)
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on May 24, 2012, 06:31:21 PM
Good Stadiums do not make more money, as they have higher maintenance?

If you want to make more money with it, you need to take it to very good level. Maintenance is the same than good level, but you get 1g more per seat.

(sorry if something is not properly written, i'm writing through a phone... f****ng touch screen)

As Ruta says, the maintenance goes up by 1G a seat as well, so will cost more if you do not play, or do not fill the stadium.....
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on May 24, 2012, 06:40:30 PM
It helps if you can make money from the TM. I was knocked out of the Cup on Monday, and received 1.4m from player sales today (the Agent Fee doesn't show on the Finance, page though). That is 2m for the season, and I have spent 500k on players. Hopefully the YA will provide some goodies in the close season.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Ruta on May 24, 2012, 06:41:40 PM
I remove my post after Carlos's cause I'm not sure. In rules each upgrade gives one g more per seat. I lost topic when are maintenance cost for seat depending on stadium level :( So if cost are same on good and v.good level all is like Carlos said
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Kr10s on May 24, 2012, 06:47:19 PM
ruta, try to improve your good quality stadium to very good, you will realize that maintenance remains in 4g, but incomes increases from 11g to 12g
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on May 24, 2012, 06:49:09 PM
I've just checked the Manual, and there is nothing there, but I do remember at the time that the only advantage was results, not cash. It could have changed, though?

My 5 700k coaches probably cost me a fair bit. I even replaced one with another, and think it went OK - Defending 15 (and the rest are rubbish at this), but he is awful with kids, which isn't so good when you see how young my squad is.........
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on May 24, 2012, 06:49:55 PM
ruta, try to improve your good quality stadium to very good, you will realize that maintenance remains in 4g, but incomes increases from 11g to 12g

I have 700k going spare, lol.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Ruta on May 24, 2012, 06:50:20 PM
carlos , do you have link to topic where are all maintenance costs? I saw it but don't stick it :(
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Ruta on May 24, 2012, 06:51:34 PM
ruta, try to improve your good quality stadium to very good, you will realize that maintenance remains in 4g, but incomes increases from 11g to 12g

I have 700k going spare, lol.
its cost 2 000 000 G,
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on May 24, 2012, 06:53:13 PM
Only 800k for me, mine isn't too good, lol.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Kr10s on May 24, 2012, 07:03:11 PM
I found it!

The ticket price for a match depends on the quality of the stadium as follows.

Very Bad --> 8 G/seat
Bad --> 9 G/seat
Okay --> 10 G/seat
Good --> 11 G/seat
Very Good --> 12 G/seat
The Best --> 13 G/seat

Maintenance cost (Per seat)
Very Bad   1 G/seat
Bad   2 G/seat
Okay   3 G/seat
Good   4 G/seat
Very Good  4 G/seat
The Best  5 G/seat
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on May 24, 2012, 07:04:28 PM
So you have to pay for V Good to get 20k a game?
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Brian Clough on May 24, 2012, 07:06:51 PM
1.as CarlosT's post shows, upgrading stadium quality does increase the amount of revenue per match but this amount (from one match per week) is approximately offset by additional maintenance fees, so it only increases total revenue if you are playing additional matches in cup and/or WCL.

2. It would be nice if revenue from bar, megastore, hotel, etc. were not just based on weekly amounts but also on the total number of matches per week. The way it is now, you make the same amount of money per week from these whether you play one home match or four! This is silly imo. I think that the amount of revenue per week should be multiplied by [the number of competitive matches (league, cup, and WCL) that occur that week] PLUS [the number of noncompetitive matches (friendly, custom cup) divided by 4]

For example, if one week your team plays 1 cup match, 1 league match and 1 WCL match at home plus 1 custom cup match the amount of revenue from these facilities would increase 3.25 times.
3 + 1/4 = 3.25
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Ruta on May 24, 2012, 07:12:18 PM
So you have to pay for V Good to get 20k a game?
I have 25 000 seats and in next season all will be full :) But even that more  money from upgrading stadium is a joke.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on May 24, 2012, 07:15:30 PM
Maybe I'll get some more seats, only 21k here, but there are so many Bots in the League.......

Good point by Ole Big Mouth about the Cup, but home draws are not guaranteed..........
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Brian Clough on May 24, 2012, 07:40:00 PM
Maybe I'll get some more seats, only 21k here, but there are so many Bots in the League.......

Good point by Ole Big Mouth about the Cup, but home draws are not guaranteed..........

Ole Big Mouth??

(http://www.factzoo.com/sites/all/img/mammals/hippo/big-mouth-hippo.jpg)

yeah home draws are not guaranteed, but they do happen about half the time  ???
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on May 24, 2012, 07:43:25 PM
Brian Clough's nick-name.

The English League is full of Thai managers, and the last two National managers were either Serbs, or Thai, and they are probably all running dual accounts and stuff, which makes the whole National Team thing a joke, imho. It would be far better to just put all the real managers in a pyramid and boot the bots............
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Brian Clough on May 24, 2012, 07:50:53 PM
I'm just messing with ya ;)  ...I always hated that nickname lol

The English League is full of Thai managers, and the last two National managers were either Serbs, or Thai, and they are probably all running dual accounts and stuff, which makes the whole National Team thing a joke, imho. It would be far better to just put all the real managers in a pyramid and boot the bots............
I totally agree with you...I wish nations had more relevance here
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on May 24, 2012, 07:54:41 PM
A cunning edit, and I think that I treated the U-21 thang with the respect it deserved.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: i3irdie on May 26, 2012, 02:13:40 PM
I think so,the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store is very low.
When you want to investments I think,
the money invested the Academy have a lot of profit ,But you   investments  upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
very long time to reture investments
  (now we are just the 5 seasons) When you upgrades it you use a lot of time to reture investments it's not worth the investment.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Kr10s on June 13, 2012, 01:32:22 AM
Well, i don't want to open a new topic related on this, so i'm pumping out this.

We had an interesting discussion at the begginning, and we always get to the same conclussion: Incomes are unbalanced.

Admin, have you considered a change in hotel/megastore/bar income?

Getting around 80.000G each week, after spending 4.250.000G on them doesn't have much sense.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: SoLid_frOg on June 13, 2012, 01:55:03 AM
Did you figure this out before or after you upgrade your things ?
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Kr10s on June 13, 2012, 02:05:22 AM
Of course i did!

As i said before, i was in low level when i made most of them, without them my finances would be a huge loss. But no matter how high ranked you are, you spend millions and profit increases in less than 15.000G (when you deduct maintenance fees), there's no investment/profit relation there.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: SoLid_frOg on June 13, 2012, 03:11:56 AM
I was in low level too. I guess you didn't factor in the ticket revenue ? :)
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Littmann on June 13, 2012, 06:35:35 AM
Well, i don't want to open a new topic related on this, so i'm pumping out this.

We had an interesting discussion at the begginning, and we always get to the same conclussion: Incomes are unbalanced.

Admin, have you considered a change in hotel/megastore/bar income?

Getting around 80.000G each week, after spending 4.250.000G on them doesn't have much sense.
I agree,apsolutely
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Kr10s on June 13, 2012, 09:10:46 AM
I was in low level too. I guess you didn't factor in the ticket revenue ? :)

I did! And i aways get to the same conclussion: it doesn't matter if you invest 10.000G or 1.200.000G in something, after you deduct their maintenance fees your real profit is less than 10.000G each level, there's no relation. Any other expensive facility gives you far more profit than hotel/megastore/bar when you upgrade them. They should help people to keep their finances clean, not to reduce a loss balance every week.

My point is..... are those facilities suposed to exist to compensate expenditures? Spending a lot money on them should help you to mantain a balance in your finances without depending on a league match.

SoLid_frOg, i'm not complaining because i lose money.... i compensate that balance doing club activities, so that's not my problem. I am proposing that they should have a more important role in the game, that's all. If you look carefuly, people don't upgrade them because they feel they are not useful.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: admin on June 13, 2012, 09:21:18 AM
I've sent the suggestions to the team.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Ologga on June 13, 2012, 09:45:11 AM
The English League is full of Thai managers, and the last two National managers were either Serbs, or Thai, and they are probably all running dual accounts and stuff, which makes the whole National Team thing a joke, imho. It would be far better to just put all the real managers in a pyramid and boot the bots............

Do you have any other things to tell us or you will continue disturbing us with your racist commentaries about the nationalities of english league teams?, do you have any other thing, more interesting to tell us?.

Will this team finally be banned??, because he has got a lot of ilegal benefits cheating in the u.21 english team, that u.21 that you don't want to be managed by a serbian but you can use for your own benefit. A lot of managers have been banned this week, it's not fair that blabla can continue playing.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Brian Clough on June 16, 2012, 09:43:24 PM
The English League is full of Thai managers, and the last two National managers were either Serbs, or Thai, and they are probably all running dual accounts and stuff, which makes the whole National Team thing a joke, imho. It would be far better to just put all the real managers in a pyramid and boot the bots............

Do you have any other things to tell us or you will continue disturbing us with your racist commentaries about the nationalities of english league teams?, do you have any other thing, more interesting to tell us?.

Will this team finally be banned??, because he has got a lot of ilegal benefits cheating in the u.21 english team, that u.21 that you don't want to be managed by a serbian but you can use for your own benefit. A lot of managers have been banned this week, it's not fair that blabla can continue playing.

give him a break  ::)

he already got sacked as NT manager...isn't that enough? :-\

He is just pointing out the truth....

Personally, I don't care about a user's nationality for managing teams so long as they are open about it and can be "socially relevant"...part of the national community of managers.
 ;)

However, I'd really appreciate it if everyone's true location were apparent. My real (as in real world) national team has a foreign NT manager and this is common among world NTs...but he's not posing as a national (they don't pretend that they a citizen). Neither Alex Ferguson nor Roberto Mancini pretend to be English, but there they are in Manchester. Yet neither get any influence who becomes the English NT manager. Foreign managers should not get to vote for NT managers, and premium users with additional teams should not get multiple votes for NT manager!

More importantly, there is an explicit rule against playing in foreign nations for all but premium users...if there's gonna be a rule, then it should be enforced. If it's not going to be enforced - equally among all nations - then it should be done away with imo.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on June 17, 2012, 07:33:36 AM
More importantly, there is an explicit rule against playing in foreign nations for all but premium users...if there's gonna be a rule, then it should be enforced. If it's not going to be enforced - equally among all nations - then it should be done away with imo.

Exactly my point, and not in the slightest bit racist.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Ologga on June 17, 2012, 12:42:06 PM
Let's tell the things clearly.

The GMs use this rule for collect money, win money is their final goal (obvious and fair goal) but unfortunately some users have in this rule a racist argument for try to keep their countries empty of foreigners, GMs must find other ways of win money and remove this absurd rule that is damaging GKO and make some users to feel like criminals in front of the rest of the community.

To be premium (finally pay) for play in a different country is an inadmissible rule in human rights terms.

The rule wants to collect money but generates that foreigners are seen as 'bad users'

If GKO wants to be the number one of the online managers, there can�t be rules like this one in force.

Reconsider this please. Users can help you to find other financing forms, but foreigner users can't continue playing with this pressure only for be breaking a controversial rule.

That's all. Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on June 17, 2012, 04:42:34 PM
Will you please stop calling me Racist.

It is GKO's rule, and a feature of Premium Membership, but they show little signs of implementing it. If you think it is against the Human Rights Acts, then you had best tell them, and\or report it to the appropriate body.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: MathewsPateras on June 17, 2012, 05:14:09 PM
Will you please stop calling me Racist.

It is GKO's rule, and a feature of Premium Membership, but they show little signs of implementing it. If you think it is against the Human Rights Acts, then you had best tell them, and\or report it to the appropriate body.

You break GKO's rules constantly. You aren't the most suitable for ask that players don't cheat.

IMOH Ologga has reason. This rule is absurd. If foreign manager don't cheat he should be able to play! More players more fun and more competitive my league!! For me this is funny. I don't like win a  league uncompetitive...
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Brian Clough on June 17, 2012, 05:51:45 PM
Will you please stop calling me Racist.

It is GKO's rule, and a feature of Premium Membership, but they show little signs of implementing it. If you think it is against the Human Rights Acts, then you had best tell them, and\or report it to the appropriate body.

You break GKO's rules constantly. You aren't the most suitable for ask that players don't cheat.

IMOH Ologga has reason. This rule is absurd. If foreign manager don't cheat he should be able to play! More players more fun and more competitive my league!! For me this is funny. I don't like win a  league uncompetitive...

By definition, a manager is cheating if he plays in a foreign league unless he is a premium user. These are admin's words not mine. No one wants to play with managers who can't speak their language or, worse, who don't speak at all. That is the point of having nations I think.

Oh and Ologga, you are confusing Nationalism with Racism. Get them straight!
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Ologga on June 17, 2012, 07:02:29 PM
Will you please stop calling me Racist.

It is GKO's rule, and a feature of Premium Membership, but they show little signs of implementing it. If you think it is against the Human Rights Acts, then you had best tell them, and\or report it to the appropriate body.

You break GKO's rules constantly. You aren't the most suitable for ask that players don't cheat.

IMOH Ologga has reason. This rule is absurd. If foreign manager don't cheat he should be able to play! More players more fun and more competitive my league!! For me this is funny. I don't like win a  league uncompetitive...

By definition, a manager is cheating if he plays in a foreign league unless he is a premium user. These are admin's words not mine. No one wants to play with managers who can't speak their language or, worse, who don't speak at all. That is the point of having nations I think.

Oh and Ologga, you are confusing Nationalism with Racism. Get them straight!

We like play with all those useers that are right persons and managers, no matter their language, that is called racism in my country and all the world. If you make difference between the people in reason to their languages you have a big problem, and according your teories, all latin people that speak spanish can play in all the countries with spanish languages because they can speak the local language, ... the same for all english or fran�ais countries.

The problem of the nationalism is that many times drives the people to the racism and is very dangerous. But this wasn't the subject.

Precisely this is the problem that generates this rule, opinions like yours. It's really regrettable.

But well, we are taking another way different to the main discussion, if you pay or you have GM's permission, otherwise not, that's the subject, you want a gamed based in local managers and other users defend a global game where you have freedom for play where you want, respecting local rules as I have always said. Thanks.


Will you please stop calling me Racist.

It is GKO's rule, and a feature of Premium Membership, but they show little signs of implementing it. If you think it is against the Human Rights Acts, then you had best tell them, and\or report it to the appropriate body.

You shouldn't say that I have called you racist because is absolutely false. I have spoken about the rule.

Your only problem, besides your behavior in the NT team (and you haven`t been sanctioned)  is that you want to win thanks  no matter what ways, you shield yourself in this rule but we have seen what kind of manager you are and I am sure that you would make no matter what thing for get benefits.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: blahblah on June 17, 2012, 08:31:16 PM
some users have in this rule a racist argument for try to keep their countries empty of foreigners,

That is calling me a racist, in my opinion.

Btw, I don't recall asking to be an U21 manager, and I had no sensible search tools...........
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Ologga on June 17, 2012, 09:30:35 PM
some users have in this rule a racist argument for try to keep their countries empty of foreigners,

That is calling me a racist, in my opinion.

Btw, I don't recall asking to be an U21 manager, and I had no sensible search tools...........

You are displeased because you feel that you are a racist according to my post and I feel that many users don't want the free establishment of managers in foreing leagues, call it like you want but don't feel displeased please. And how must we feel all the time you have been trainning your own players in U-21?, cheated?, no punishment by the moment, ... remove from U-21 wasn't a punishment, it was just necessary.

Well, OK, we don't say that is a racist rule, we will keep out racist word forever from the forum, we will say that is in my opinion a really unfortunate rule, then nobody will be disgusted with my sentence, and that must be removed.


But there is a honest point to the community penalty as a non-native country specific language speaker (wow absolutely many awesome words in a row!) will not be able to contribute as much. But there is no rule saying one has to contribute to the national community.

Here is the argument that many users that don't want foreigner managers say, they don't speak our language, they don't contribute to our community and there are no rules that require to be an active user in terms of speak in the community or similar. Be a good manager, give competence to the country, contribute to the NT team with good players are the important skills that a good manager must offer to the community. Let's forget the provenance of each manager.

A lot of local users don't contribute to their communities, don't speak, ... why not ask ban for him?. Because It wouldn't be a logical thing.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Brian Clough on June 17, 2012, 09:49:44 PM
First, language is NOT a barrier. Babylon or Google translate programs work just fine...it's like having a heavy accent. So I guess I don't get your point here.

Second, if you want "to play with all those useers that are right persons and managers, no matter their language" isn't that what happens in WCL? in the WC? in any friendly match you want to make? There are many opportunities to play with people all over the world here.

Third, would you want foreigners voting your national leaders? I doubt it. It seems that a dedicated group could easily 'infiltrate' and fix another nation's elections in order to throw the competition. This is particularly dangerous in relatively small nations who get <50 total votes for manager. For me, it is about keeping nations relevant, not keeping people out.

You know, admin implements this rule quite strictly in my country, at least among top level teams. We have had 4 or 5 out of 10 managers banned this season alone, all with foreign ip addresses and no detectable transfer cheating. If the rule is racist, take it up with admin. I just want them to either enforce it (equally for all nations) or get rid of it.

Who cares what nationality a manager has? As long as he play fair its ok. Focus on keeping members, and kick cheaters. Simple really.

But there is a honest point to the community penalty as a non-native country specific language speaker (wow absolutely many awesome words in a row!) will not be able to contribute as much. But there is no rule saying one has to contribute to the national community.

Exactly...so you get privileges (the right to vote) that come with no responsibilities (honesty, national interests)? I am convinced that election rigging will happen (if it already hasn't) within the next few seasons with existing system. Nations quickly lose relevance...we might as well include fictional nations like Mordor or Narnia.


Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Ologga on June 17, 2012, 10:05:44 PM
First, language is NOT a barrier. Babylon or Google translate programs work just fine...it's like having a heavy accent. So I guess I don't get your point here.

Second, if you want "to play with all those useers that are right persons and managers, no matter their language" isn't that what happens in WCL? in the WC? in any friendly match you want to make? There are many opportunities to play with people all over the world here.

Third, would you want foreigners voting your national leaders? I doubt it. It seems that a dedicated group could easily 'infiltrate' and fix another nation's elections in order to throw the competition. This is particularly dangerous in relatively small nations who get <50 total votes for manager. For me, it is about keeping nations relevant, not keeping people out.

You know, admin implements this rule quite strictly in my country, at least among top level teams. We have had 4 or 5 out of 10 managers banned this season alone, all with foreign ip addresses and no detectable transfer cheating. If the rule is racist, take it up with admin. I just want them to either enforce it (equally for all nations) or get rid of it.

Who cares what nationality a manager has? As long as he play fair its ok. Focus on keeping members, and kick cheaters. Simple really.

But there is a honest point to the community penalty as a non-native country specific language speaker (wow absolutely many awesome words in a row!) will not be able to contribute as much. But there is no rule saying one has to contribute to the national community.

Exactly...so you get privileges (the right to vote) that come with no responsibilities (honesty, national interests)? I am convinced that election rigging will happen (if it already hasn't) within the next few seasons with existing system. Nations quickly lose relevance...we might as well include fictional nations like Mordor or Narnia.


I give my opinion, you give a lot of points of view about many other subjects, some of them such incredibles like the last one of pay to the NT managers and we don't criticize you.

I don't want foreigners as NT coaches, I want the best coaches no matter his provenance.

To have a vote for choose that NT coach is not a privilege, it's a right of each user.

I want a free game, no play WCC for play against foreigner or similar, ... do you understand?.

But � think too that this subject is absolutely derailed and the best is to finnish it.


Thank you for all your contributions.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: Kr10s on June 17, 2012, 10:57:16 PM
People, let's cut it out please, stick to the topic please.

Ologga, i know you feel that everybody points at you when people say something about it, but we must face 2 realities:

1- This is a rule, take it or leave it, you're playing legally but a lot of things changed after you started here. And i'm afraid we must adapt ourselves, in the same way we had to deal with premium features (as an example)... a lot of things that changed in 5 seasons, again, take it or leave it, it's up to you.
2- Are you aware that your behavior is quite strange among foreign users? Usually foreign managers aren't open to improve that country's strenght, they usually cares only on themselves. Somebody who doesn't even say "hello" to others (not even using english) is not qualified to manage a country's destiny, no matter how good his managerial skills are, because manage a NT requires feedback, not a one-man work.
To add, Brian "suffered" a foreign manager in NT already, something you didn't..... so he might have some reasons you don't even imagine.

Now, please, let's cut this "foreign manager's issue", i will remind you where we were before all this offtopic:

I was in low level too. I guess you didn't factor in the ticket revenue ? :)

I did! And i aways get to the same conclussion: it doesn't matter if you invest 10.000G or 1.200.000G in something, after you deduct their maintenance fees your real profit is less than 10.000G each level, there's no relation. Any other expensive facility gives you far more profit than hotel/megastore/bar when you upgrade them. They should help people to keep their finances clean, not to reduce a loss balance every week.

My point is..... are those facilities suposed to exist to compensate expenditures? Spending a lot money on them should help you to mantain a balance in your finances without depending on a league match.

SoLid_frOg, i'm not complaining because i lose money.... i compensate that balance doing club activities, so that's not my problem. I am proposing that they should have a more important role in the game, that's all. If you look carefuly, people don't upgrade them because they feel they are not useful.

I've sent the suggestions to the team.
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: BuddAbass on July 22, 2012, 03:44:32 AM
I think Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store must be a mineral source .
Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
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Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
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Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
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Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
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Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: GregoryUnubs on December 08, 2023, 09:47:58 AM
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Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: GregoryUnubs on December 11, 2023, 07:14:50 AM
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Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: GregoryUnubs on January 08, 2024, 12:57:54 AM
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Title: Re: [Suggestions]the return investments from upgrades to Hotel, Bar, and Mega-store
Post by: GregoryUnubs on March 06, 2024, 01:12:58 PM
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